I am a manager at a small architecture firm and Windows 10 has brought nothing but woe to my office. We have spent dozens of hours and thousands of dollars troubleshooting and fixing problems (many of which remain unresolved) that occurred as a result of this draconian forced upgrade (and updates that followed). So what if we got the upgrade for free. I've paid for it many times over in labor!
In light of so many hundreds of millions of people still using 7, how was it forced?
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#102I am a manager at a small architecture firm and Windows 10 has brought nothing but woe to my office. We have spent dozens of hours and thousands of dollars troubleshooting and fixing problems (many of which remain unresolved) that occurred as a result of this draconian forced upgrade (and updates that followed). So what if we got the upgrade for free. I've paid for it many times over in labor!
That's a useful data point.
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#103> But he has also dusted down his four-year-old Apple MacBook Pro and upgraded his Windows 7 desktop to the latest version of Linux Mint rather than Windows 10. Despite their idiosyncrasies, Macintosh and Linux have never looked so attractive. Linux gets refugees both from Windows and MacOS because MS just keeps messing Windows up (seems to be happening every other version), and Apple simply lets MacOS rot by not giv…
BSD gets refugees from Linux because messing up with systemd.
And then TempleOS will get refugees from BSD because it losts its soul (almost-friday-level pun intended) :-)
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#104Microsoft is their own worst enemy. My wife can't transition fully from XP to the Windows 7 PC I built for her, because it doesn't have Outlook Express or any reasonable substitute. We can't upgrade the living room PC because Windows 10 doesn't include Media Center. I'm also not fond of the way Windows 10 updates are so aggressive, you'll essentially be replacing your OS every so often without any say-so. If I had an…
Windows Live Mail was the replacement for Outlook Express. Microsoft ended support last month and pulled the download links, but I found a direct link here: http://wl.dlservice.microsoft.com/download/C/1/B/C1BA42D6-6A...
Yes, there were substitutes available, but didn't meet one requirement or another. And Windows 7 appears to fall into a gap where Microsoft was changing email strategies and left it completely uncovered.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Windows Live Mail was the replacement for Outlook Express. Microsoft ended support last month and pulled the download links, but I found a direct link here: http://wl.dlservice.microsoft.com/download/C/1/B/C1BA42D6-6A...
Outlook Mail and Calendar is the replacement for Windows Live Mail. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/mail-and-calendar/9w...
But apparently you need Windows 10 to use it. Not gonna happen, see above.
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#106Re: The woes of Windows 10
#107Microsoft is their own worst enemy. My wife can't transition fully from XP to the Windows 7 PC I built for her, because it doesn't have Outlook Express or any reasonable substitute. We can't upgrade the living room PC because Windows 10 doesn't include Media Center. I'm also not fond of the way Windows 10 updates are so aggressive, you'll essentially be replacing your OS every so often without any say-so. If I had an…
Media Center? Why dont you use Kodi (former XBMC)?
Because it already came with Windows and was exactly what we needed. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If the PC dies someday and needs to be replaced, I might look into avoiding Windows altogether.
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#108I think there's an obvious and more general question here to be answered: if a piece of software is good enough, namely, it "disappears" when you are trying to do your job, then why bother to change it? Yes, the new version might enable a more efficient workflow, or might be faster to boot-up. But people hate changes and you need to invest considerable time in upgrading a piece of software (the upgrade itself + learn…
Interesting, readers of HN should know that upgrades to the newest version of Windows and updates is essential for reasons of software security. Newer versions of Windows incorporates security measures not in older versions -- sometimes even taking advantages of new security features in Intel hardware. For example, Target and Home Depot were hacked because they failed to upgrade their point-of-sale hardware from Wind…
Most HN readers probably don't even use Windows. I think it's objectively the worst OS for a tech enthusiast.
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#109No wonder that Win10 fails like Win8 - Microsoft doesn't care about users, they only care about their shareholders. Win8 and Win10 looks like designed by color blind designers with a bad taste the brutalism of UI design plus the phone-home spyware features that cannot be deactivated. Windows 7 is too good and the perfect OS, if you don't install some recent spyware updates it will last at least until 2020 - and who k…
http://www.windowscentral.com/new-design-language-windows-10...
Design language is getting an update.
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#110I am a manager at a small architecture firm and Windows 10 has brought nothing but woe to my office. We have spent dozens of hours and thousands of dollars troubleshooting and fixing problems (many of which remain unresolved) that occurred as a result of this draconian forced upgrade (and updates that followed). So what if we got the upgrade for free. I've paid for it many times over in labor!
When I hear complaints like this, basically any complaint about a major technology in use around the world, I am always baffled that the people who have trouble end up blaming the technology, rather than their policies and implementation.
This technology works (almost) flawlessly for hundreds of thousands of people and organizations, the idea that the issues you're experiencing are legitimately the fault of the technology feels... unlikely.
I get that the best technology adapts perfectly to your individual needs, but the idea that you don't have to change a single thing about your business to use a technology just feels, on its face, absurd.