Fearful of Hacking, Dutch Will Count Ballots by Hand
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#2Learning from the mistakes of others is a good thing.
Though counting by hand has it's own issues (waves at Florida)
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#3Can someone eli5 how an entire country that includes (big-fat assumption here) n > 0 computer scientist(s) is "fearful of hacking."
Are we really at this point giving up on technology and becoming luddites?
Re: Fearful of Hacking, Dutch Will Count Ballots by Hand
#4Can someone eli5 how an entire country that includes (big-fat assumption here) n > 0 computer scientist(s) is "fearful of hacking." Are we really at this point giving up on technology and becoming luddites?
Equipment/proces was found vulnerable.
And this is only about aggregating sub-results.
Voting computers for the actual vote ( public ) have been abandonded years ago, again because of vulnerabilities.
This ban was pursued by an old school hacker ( Rob Grongrijp ).
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wij_vertrouwen_stemcomputers_n...
Re: Fearful of Hacking, Dutch Will Count Ballots by Hand
#5Can someone eli5 how an entire country that includes (big-fat assumption here) n > 0 computer scientist(s) is "fearful of hacking." Are we really at this point giving up on technology and becoming luddites?
Computer scientists and computer security experts are the ones that commonly advise against voting machines and other things like that, pointing out vulnerabilities and the inability to verify them.
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#6Some more context: https://sijmen.ruwhof.net/weblog/1166-how-to-hack-the-upcomi...
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#7This is due to a Dutch ethical hacker (Sijmen Ruwhof) investigating the way that our elections work. He had posted a great research document [0] that showed how bad our current system was. Two days later, we're back to paper.
Thanks Sijmen :)
[0] https://sijmen.ruwhof.net/weblog/1166-how-to-hack-the-upcomi...
Re: Fearful of Hacking, Dutch Will Count Ballots by Hand
#8This is due to a Dutch ethical hacker (Sijmen Ruwhof) investigating the way that our elections work. He had posted a great research document [0] that showed how bad our current system was. Two days later, we're back to paper. Thanks Sijmen :) [0] https://sijmen.ruwhof.net/weblog/1166-how-to-hack-the-upcomi...
Here's the related HN post:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13524466
Re: Fearful of Hacking, Dutch Will Count Ballots by Hand
#9Can someone eli5 how an entire country that includes (big-fat assumption here) n > 0 computer scientist(s) is "fearful of hacking." Are we really at this point giving up on technology and becoming luddites?
Sure, read this > https://sijmen.ruwhof.net/weblog/1166-how-to-hack-the-upcomi...
Re: Fearful of Hacking, Dutch Will Count Ballots by Hand
#10Can someone eli5 how an entire country that includes (big-fat assumption here) n > 0 computer scientist(s) is "fearful of hacking." Are we really at this point giving up on technology and becoming luddites?
A couple things.
1) Not all computer scientist are security experts.
2) The security experts came to the conclusion that hardening the system to the point where you could depend on its integrity (and the system still be widely usable) wasn't feasible.
3) Making one process manual in order to protect the outcome != giving up on technology and becoming a luddite.