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> What is the problem? Discrimination. It has been justified for centuries with all manner of reasoned arguments. Hopefully we will eventually learn discrimination is a Bad Idea.
> Discrimination. So it's a problem in CS but not in education or healthcare, where women are the majority?
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> Discrimination. So it's a problem in CS but not in education or healthcare, where women are the majority?
In what part of healthcare are men systemically impeded from involvement?
In what part of CS women are systematically impeded from involvement?
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> What is the problem? Discrimination. It has been justified for centuries with all manner of reasoned arguments. Hopefully we will eventually learn discrimination is a Bad Idea.
> Hopefully we will eventually learn discrimination is a Bad Idea. ... including discrimination against boys/men - which quota regulation and "women only" programs are (imagine the outcry if one would replace "women only" by "white people only").
If we had a CS field dominated almost entirely by women then the "women only" programs would be undesirable.
This is a man in a boat protesting that a drowning woman is being helped out of the water but he is receiving no such equivalent assistance.
I was really hoping this was going to provide some path to completing my CS degree. At least they're acknowledging the importance of education.
I honestly don't feel like my exposure to CS has changed my life in any way outside of my career. If I imagine some future where I am retired, it is not obvious to me where I will use anything I have learned or how it will shape me into being a better person.
It certainly has been useful to me in finding gainful employment, but if that is the only thing it brings to the table, one could argue that Google is only doing this in their self-serving interests. It is clear to see what benefits they would gain in having a larger labour pool available.
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Problem: There's a massive gender imbalance in CS and amongst the coding community. There are loads of men and hardly any women. Most of half the population would never consider working for us or our partners. Solution: Make a website which specifically encourages young girls to see themselves as coders. Problem: We have invested loads of money into our Irish, Indian, Australian/NZ offices, but we could increase our…
> What is the problem? Discrimination. It has been justified for centuries with all manner of reasoned arguments. Hopefully we will eventually learn discrimination is a Bad Idea.
Also, care to name one thinker from history who doesn't advocate discrimination of some sort? Seriously. Who is your model?
[1] http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when-...
http://www.businessinsider.com/google-loses-ruling-in-age-bi...
Are they offering anything on the site for people who want CS education? From clicking around a bit it seemed like it was focused entirely on people teaching and learning in physical classrooms. I was pretty excited at first, thinking this was something like a Google-sponsored version of EdX or OpenCourseware that was laser focused on CS.
From the linked page there is a section titled "Learn Computer Science" which contains a section titled "Student Learning" which contains a variety of learning resources that can be experienced through the browser. https://www.google.com/edu/cs/learn/student.html
If so, would you mind sharing a more specific link? I'd be particularly interested in a Systems and Networking course.
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I see it as more of a temporary compensation for earlier gender based biases. In a world where boys and girls are given the same opportunities at (even) younger ages, you wouldn't need something like this. As it stands right now, it is intimidating for a girl to sign up for her first computer science class knowing that it will be full of boys that have been encouraged to do computer sciencey things from an earlier ag…
> I see it as more of a temporary compensation for earlier gender based biases. So you tolerate that a complete sex shall be punished for former sins. Clearly not my sense of justice. > In a world where boys and girls are given the same opportunities at (even) younger ages, you wouldn't need something like this. Everybody can use the internet to learn coding. But at least to me it seems that mostly boys (with few exc…
This is not a zero-sum game. Creating a new opportunity for girls does not remove an existing opportunity for a boy.
> But at least to me it seems that mostly boys (with few exceptions) seem to love doing this - in particular from young age on
Maybe you should try talking to more girls and asking them what they are interested in.
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> Hopefully we will eventually learn discrimination is a Bad Idea. ... including discrimination against boys/men - which quota regulation and "women only" programs are (imagine the outcry if one would replace "women only" by "white people only").
You seem to be worried about over-correction where there is clearly none. If we had a CS field dominated almost entirely by women then the "women only" programs would be undesirable. This is a man in a boat protesting that a drowning woman is being helped out of the water but he is receiving no such equivalent assistance.
I live in Germany - and there the situation is IMHO different.
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In what part of healthcare are men systemically impeded from involvement?
> In what part of healthcare are men systemically impeded from involvement? In what part of CS women are systematically impeded from involvement?
Whilst we're on the topic, lets also add that non-white men and women and transgendered people have it even worse.