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What Diaspora Should Do with their Newfound Fuckyoufacebook Money

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Re: What Diaspora Should Do with their Newfound Fuckyoufacebook Money

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Yishan Wong (early Facebook employee) gave an excellent answer to this question on Quora: http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-potential-obstacles-to-Dia... . (Quora is still in private beta, but I'd imagine many HNers have accounts.)

Since when I registered for Quora the TOS said my content could be pasted anywhere as long as there was a link back, I'm assuming it's okay to paste Wong's answer here as well. I couldn't find anything on their site that specifically says what license the content falls under, if someone finds out differently, lmk and I'll remove it. Yishan Wong, Worked at Facebook from 2005-2010. "As it stands, based on available tec…

Users can still interoperate with other Facebook users, so they don't need to migrate their social graph, which is the greatest hurdle to Diaspora's adoption.

No, the greatest hurdle to Diaspora's adoption is that Facebook doesn't provide the user with any means to export their own part of the social graph -- and in fact takes legal action against people who do.

I'm not interested in the argument of whether Facebook legally can or can't do this; the point is, for many people, this is not a world that they want to live in. Your suggestion doesn't do anything to address the central problem.

My next social networking service is going to provide me control over my social graph. It should also allow me to port basic profile features from one hosted service to another, much as I might do with an email address or a web site.

You're right that moving people off Facebook is going to be difficult, as there is a sunk cost issue. However, I doubt that the establishment of a Facebook-scale social network is going to be a unique event in human history, any more than MySpace or Friendster were. It may not be Diaspora that coaxes people away, but people will take the trouble if there are benefits to be had, and Facebook can't entirely stop all the tools to export friend lists.

Diaspora does not necessarily need to provide photo hosting, events, groups, and other core Facebook services (but it can).

Once again, the whole point is to interoperate seamlessly with services outside anyone's walled garden, especially for commonly shared items like photos, events, and discussion. It is already deeply annoying to have to make separate invites for Facebook and non-Facebook friends. I can't believe that you are even seriously proposing a dual system this while touting your own expertise on what users really want.

BTW, I personally have tried to make an FB app that unified Facebook events with events from other services such as Upcoming.org, and FB's API thwarted me in this regard. Certain bugs made it impossible to distinguish between the user's private and public Facebook events, so my app was inadvertently publishing private events to their FB page. Some of my users complained loudly about this -- you know, that privacy stuff that users don't care about. So I determined this was due to a FB API bug, but amazingly the developers WONTFIX'ed it as a documentation bug (the assertion that the API provided privacy was the "bug"!)

But that's what we get for relying on a service provided by kids just out of college who think they're god's gift to programming.

So, no, I'm not buying that one again.

No matter how well-funded, Diaspora is just one team with zero track record, so they're not likely to be the solution to these problems. But I'm definitely looking for something that fits the bill, and I highly doubt it's going to be a Facebook app.

Re: What Diaspora Should Do with their Newfound Fuckyoufacebook Money

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Yishan Wong (early Facebook employee) gave an excellent answer to this question on Quora: http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-potential-obstacles-to-Dia... . (Quora is still in private beta, but I'd imagine many HNers have accounts.)

Since when I registered for Quora the TOS said my content could be pasted anywhere as long as there was a link back, I'm assuming it's okay to paste Wong's answer here as well. I couldn't find anything on their site that specifically says what license the content falls under, if someone finds out differently, lmk and I'll remove it. Yishan Wong, Worked at Facebook from 2005-2010. "As it stands, based on available tec…

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Re: What Diaspora Should Do with their Newfound Fuckyoufacebook Money

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I see this argument about Disapora a fair bit: >Diaspora apparently requires you to run your own set of web hosting services in preserve your privacy, which no one really cares about To me, this reads the same as "having an email address requires you to run your own email server". If Diaspora takes off, I'm sure it will be another check-box on ISP features lists.

Didn't we go down this path with email? We had ISPs running SMTP servers, until consumers voted with their clicks (Hotmail, Gmail) that they'd much prefer a centralized solution and were happy to trade in privacy for a free almost-always-up, for-the-foreseeable-future permanent solution. Isn't that Facebook?

These are not centralized solutions in the way Facebook is. If I use Gmail does that force you to use Gmail?

Great services like Gmail only became possible because SMTP isn't tied to a particular proprietary service. Individuals can use the service that's most appropriate for them. For some people, that's Outlook, for others, a webmail provider. Competition works.

What we really need is a system that crosses social-networking-service providers in the same way that SMTP broke down the barriers between various mail systems.

Re: What Diaspora Should Do with their Newfound Fuckyoufacebook Money

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Yishan Wong (early Facebook employee) gave an excellent answer to this question on Quora: http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-potential-obstacles-to-Dia... . (Quora is still in private beta, but I'd imagine many HNers have accounts.)

Since when I registered for Quora the TOS said my content could be pasted anywhere as long as there was a link back, I'm assuming it's okay to paste Wong's answer here as well. I couldn't find anything on their site that specifically says what license the content falls under, if someone finds out differently, lmk and I'll remove it. Yishan Wong, Worked at Facebook from 2005-2010. "As it stands, based on available tec…

The app being described is The Green Safe, and already exists: http://apps.facebook.com/thegreensafe/index.php

Re: What Diaspora Should Do with their Newfound Fuckyoufacebook Money

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since when I registered for Quora the TOS said my content could be pasted anywhere as long as there was a link back, I'm assuming it's okay to paste Wong's answer here as well. I couldn't find anything on their site that specifically says what license the content falls under, if someone finds out differently, lmk and I'll remove it. Yishan Wong, Worked at Facebook from 2005-2010. "As it stands, based on available tec…

"Diaspora can open-source the code and allow other Diaspora installations to be set up, in case users don't trust Diaspora itself - a particular group of real-life friends who mutually trust each other can just host their own Diaspora installation and store their own information there." Would you rather have Facebook employees, who don't specifically know or care about you have access to eg. personal conversations bt…

Right – this is why I think the solution isn’t a local possibly-too-curious nerd, but rather a "Wave Federation" of official Diaspora servers and other third parties, possibly charging a small monthly fee. Maybe (almost certainly not, but maybe) some ISPs would provide such a service as part of their bundle.

The other solution is for the "local nerd's" set-up to never view unencrypted data. If you watch the Diaspora* intro video, they are talking about having encrypted content available for each friend… if this encrypted content were uploaded to the local nerd’s server, that solves the untrusted admin problem.

Re: What Diaspora Should Do with their Newfound Fuckyoufacebook Money

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Yishan Wong (early Facebook employee) gave an excellent answer to this question on Quora: http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-potential-obstacles-to-Dia... . (Quora is still in private beta, but I'd imagine many HNers have accounts.)

Since when I registered for Quora the TOS said my content could be pasted anywhere as long as there was a link back, I'm assuming it's okay to paste Wong's answer here as well. I couldn't find anything on their site that specifically says what license the content falls under, if someone finds out differently, lmk and I'll remove it. Yishan Wong, Worked at Facebook from 2005-2010. "As it stands, based on available tec…

So basically you're saying don't fight it just let the warm embrace of facebook envelope you and take over.

Why do I see the scene in the Matrix when Agent Smith would touch someone and they would become another Agent Smith when I read this?

Re: What Diaspora Should Do with their Newfound Fuckyoufacebook Money

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since when I registered for Quora the TOS said my content could be pasted anywhere as long as there was a link back, I'm assuming it's okay to paste Wong's answer here as well. I couldn't find anything on their site that specifically says what license the content falls under, if someone finds out differently, lmk and I'll remove it. Yishan Wong, Worked at Facebook from 2005-2010. "As it stands, based on available tec…

Users can still interoperate with other Facebook users, so they don't need to migrate their social graph, which is the greatest hurdle to Diaspora's adoption. No, the greatest hurdle to Diaspora's adoption is that Facebook doesn't provide the user with any means to export their own part of the social graph -- and in fact takes legal action against people who do. I'm not interested in the argument of whether Facebook…

Can't you add a button (either “Join Diaspora to Friend me” for non-members, or “BeFriend on Diaspora” for non-connected members, or “UnFriend of Diaspora” otherwise) on each Diaspora-Profile page? That would allow users to switch their relations by hand to another Graph, presumably distributed —— a lengthy process, but one that would kick-start the transfer, and could be accelerated with a “BeFriend all Fb-Friends with Diaspora accounts” button later on?

The private Events is a very good exemple of why cross-platform scuks, but I don't see any other option than trying anyway.

Re: What Diaspora Should Do with their Newfound Fuckyoufacebook Money

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Yishan Wong (early Facebook employee) gave an excellent answer to this question on Quora: http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-potential-obstacles-to-Dia... . (Quora is still in private beta, but I'd imagine many HNers have accounts.)

Since when I registered for Quora the TOS said my content could be pasted anywhere as long as there was a link back, I'm assuming it's okay to paste Wong's answer here as well. I couldn't find anything on their site that specifically says what license the content falls under, if someone finds out differently, lmk and I'll remove it. Yishan Wong, Worked at Facebook from 2005-2010. "As it stands, based on available tec…

BTW, OpenID was never about privacy... it was about providing a single login solution. I know that this is a copy and pasted peace, but it kind of kills the credibility of the whole post when they start with attacked OpenID and clearly show they have no idea what OpenID really is.

Re: What Diaspora Should Do with their Newfound Fuckyoufacebook Money

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Yishan Wong (early Facebook employee) gave an excellent answer to this question on Quora: http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-potential-obstacles-to-Dia... . (Quora is still in private beta, but I'd imagine many HNers have accounts.)

Hmm,

I can't help but feel, uh, angry, at experts - Wong or Zuckerberg or whoever - who claim that no cares about privacy, they just "think they care about privacy". When employers, potential employers and potential-stalkers are all actively Googling people, a large portion of the population should care about privacy. I'd say the opposite is true to Wong's glib statement - the people will care more and more about privacy as they learn all the implication.

Anyone who's vulnerable in one way or another will care about privacy - the simplest examples are employees who's job situation is insecure and women and children who might face threats from stranger. Anyone that a state might look askance at would another example (and it's not just the US state).

Re: What Diaspora Should Do with their Newfound Fuckyoufacebook Money

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Yishan Wong (early Facebook employee) gave an excellent answer to this question on Quora: http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-potential-obstacles-to-Dia... . (Quora is still in private beta, but I'd imagine many HNers have accounts.)

Since when I registered for Quora the TOS said my content could be pasted anywhere as long as there was a link back, I'm assuming it's okay to paste Wong's answer here as well. I couldn't find anything on their site that specifically says what license the content falls under, if someone finds out differently, lmk and I'll remove it. Yishan Wong, Worked at Facebook from 2005-2010. "As it stands, based on available tec…

You're right that it's ok to repost Quora content anywhere as long as it includes a link - more details here: http://www.quora.com/How-can-material-on-Quora-be-reused-els...
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