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How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations

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Re: How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations

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I think your weariness at seeing a claim which from all evidence appears true not backed up by "empirical evidence" is a bit self-indulgent. I've met many N American adults whose own childhoods align with what the article says and almost none who said they had a shorter leash than children do now. I've seen more children taking the metro by themselves in Japan in a one week visit than I did living the US for three ye…

My claim is that persons' own recollection of their childhood is inherently biased. As kids, they weren't privy to many of their parents' protective actions. Never mind nostalgia, selective memory, etc.

Yes, but things like "walked half a mile to school every day at age 5", "was allowed to bike 5 miles from home after entering the 5th grade and 10 miles after 6th grade" are pretty clear cut.

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> We have purposely designed our cities to maximize vehicle throughput and require car ownership This is just one specific example of the broader phenomenon, which is corporations seek to remove all of our abilities to take care of ourselves and our communities, so that they may resell those things to us as products. Requiring cars to move around is just the surface. We go to coffee shops and restaurants to see our f…

Corporations don't force it on you. People voluntarily use that. Corporations provide those things because people want them.

Advertisements target your lizard brain. That bypasses your rational thinking. It is not a fair fight and not merely "just say 'no'".

Re: How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations

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What, people who live in cities don't have freedom? And the user you replied to wasn't talking about space available like in a truly rural setting, they were talking about how it's impossible to live in a suburban or rural setting without centering your life around the car you drive.

Cities offer more choices, rural areas offer more freedom

Really? Have you tried wearing drag in a rural area?

Re: How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations

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as a child, i used to go over to my friend's house on my bike and a bunch of us would play D&D in the basement. afterwards, we'd get on our bikes and ride through the foggy streets alone, trying our best not to accidentally cross the path of a demogorgon. one time, we met this weird girl with really short hair and telekinetic powers. she needed a place to stay, so we hid in her in my friend's basement. it was pretty…

I have seen stranger things than this.

Re: How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations

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I have thought about this a lot. I pass my elementary school on my way to work each morning. As kids we just walked there it was a 10-15 minute walk. At around the 4th grade we took our bikes. We were accompanied by our parents the first week or so and then just walked in groups. No danger, no incidents, nothing. And this was true for all kids that attended the school. There were maybe 3 out of the 40ish kids in my grade that lived too far away and arrived by car. These days...there's traffic backing up all around the school, every single kid arrives by car, the thingy where you can lock up your bikes is completely empty.

Our days as kids looked like this: Back home from school, lunch, play until the night...usually outdoors wherever we found interesting stuff. No set dates or sheduling, you just walked over to your friends house and figured out what to do, maybe pick up a couple of other friends. If someone wasn't there you just tried the next house. The activities involved climbing trees, building your own boat to paddle on a small creek and other things that would be considered deadly activities these days. Lots of sports and getting dirty, too. Surprisingly enough no kids got abducted. On the flip side I watched very little TV (we didn't have a TV for a decent chunk of my childhood) and I didn't have any computer for a good chunk of my childhood either.

I also think parents spent more quality time with their kids "back in my day". Family trips to the zoo or just playing football in a park or something. I see these parent/kid teams a lot less these days. It's a very strange development because the benefits seem so obvious to me and the "downside" is spending more time with your kids or letting them do more things they enjoy.

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Yeah, it's weird as hell to be the only person walking on an empty street.

I actually got stopped by the local police a year or two ago for going on a walk during a holiday, as they received reports of some strange guy walking alone.

"Walking, just walking, walking?"

This reminded me of the short story "The Pedestrian" by Ray Bradbury:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pedestrian

We've studied this story in the English class (probably some 25 years ago).

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Isn't that a chicken-and-egg problem? IMO if a society treats people like responsible adults they'll rise up to the task. The question is of course how to transition there. I can't say to have any recipes, but I'm reasonably sure that taking away civic rights is counterproductive. Maybe try to get one electable political party that makes it their thing to protect and even expand citizen's rights and allow for more se…

>IMO if a society treats people like responsible adults they'll rise up to the task. That's one hypothesis. Another is that trustworthiness is a genetic trait.

Crikey, anyone seriously think its a genetic trait?

Do you imagine the children taken into care at a young age turn into bad people just like their parents anyway?

Surely everyone thinks that trustworthiness is about poverty, inequality and values?

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There was on article here a few weeks ago about how Japanese parents and teachers train children to be safe before letting them out on their own. https://savvytokyo.com/japan-prepares-children-independence/ Most American parents, on the other hand, don't teach their kids anything about being safe on the streets (other than basic theory, like "don't cross on a red light") because they're always shuttling them around i…

Maybe in the suburbs. Here in New York City kids are expected to make their own way home by the fifth grade. And take mass transit to school by themselves by sixth. I'm not sure if it's safe, but plenty of kids manage it themselves. My eight year old is eagerly awaiting the day he can walk home by himself.

It might have to do with the fact that fewer people drive in New York City. Suburban parents can drop their kids off at the school on their way to work. Trying to do the same in New York City would be a massive waste of time!

The last few decades were all about ever-expanding suburbs. It would be interesting to study the effect of urban revival and gentrification on parenting behavior and the larger culture over the next few decades.

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