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Avoid Non-Microsoft Antivirus Software

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Re: Avoid Non-Microsoft Antivirus Software

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Post by Scea91 »

NameNickHN wrote: post #112
neko_koneko wrote: post #76

Ok, disclaimer first: I've previously worked at Kaspersky Lab (incident response division). Now, I want to say that many of the incidents that we have investigated, would have been prevented by anti-virus software (in many cases AV software was deliberately disabled by user). And I'm talking about incidents that resulted in million-dollar thefts - not just cases of some user getting cryptolocker on their home compute…

Any AV software is better than having none but that's not the point of the article. It specifically recommends Microsoft's AV and to stay clear of all the others. I'm sure it's hard on all the AV vendors out there but with Microsoft Essentials and Windows Defender I don't see the need for a third party AV.

One reason is that they simply do not perform as well on benchmarks. Other reason is that if there is only one AV vendor then it is a lot easier for developers of malware to penetrate systems than if there are dozens of vendors.

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Post by edejong »

slgeorge wrote: post #379
edejong wrote: post #378

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It had nothing to do with reading emotions or preparing expectations and everything to do with being stubborn, arrogant and aloof.

You're passionate and certain in your beliefs - probably from a strong philosophical basis; My opinions are formed by my practical "experiences" and hard work for 10 years in this space. There's never been a good quality discussion when philosophical certainty crashes against pragmatic experience! You're clearly angry, but I don't deserve the implication of being called stubborn, arrogant or aloof. I've already apolo…

I am certainly not calling you stubborn, arrogant or aloof, I'm terribly sorry if you got that impression and I definitely did not want to imply this.

Re: Avoid Non-Microsoft Antivirus Software

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Post by WhiteSource1 »

AntivirusExpert wrote: post #191
WhiteSource1 wrote: post #14

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Which AV vendors are predatory? (Though Kaspersky makes me nervous). What do you think about ESET?

I recommend going by test results and by the features that interest you most. Kaspersky, BTW, has the best scores (See here: https://bestantivirus.reviews/tools/test-results-calculator ) but Bitdefender and Avira are also great according to these tests, and Bitdefender is my choice, personally.

Kaspersky just worries me because of the Russian connections https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-19/cybersecu...

It's sort of like Cloudflare protecting against DDoS attacks while also protecting booters.

Re: Avoid Non-Microsoft Antivirus Software

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Post by emodendroket »

Const-me wrote: post #380
emodendroket wrote: post #377

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Do you ever read the newspaper? Do you remember Enron? Robosigning? Wells Fargo helping Mexican cartels launder money ( https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico... )? Conflict minerals? Nestle and slave labor ( https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2016/feb/01... )? There seems to be plenty of evidence that corporate malfeasance is a serious problem. And, yes, there are certainly lots o…

Just as I expected, your beliefs are by 100% caused by media. The image of the world as it’s shown in the media is extremely biased. Watch this: https://www.ted.com/talks/hans_and_ola_rosling_how_not_to_be... The video is about inequality and education, but the topic of corporate crime is skewed just as much. There are 6 million companies operating in US, employing 115 million people. If the majority of them were bre…

If your argument is "anecdotal evidence is much better than reported, sourced news" then I have to disagree, regardless of what the TED talk says. The examples are some of the biggest and most prestigious companies in the country and I'm gonna guess most of the low-level schmucks like me and my friends and family aren't in on the huge, illegal operations.

Re: Avoid Non-Microsoft Antivirus Software

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Post by Const-me »

emodendroket wrote: post #384
Const-me wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as I expected, your beliefs are by 100% caused by media. The image of the world as it’s shown in the media is extremely biased. Watch this: https://www.ted.com/talks/hans_and_ola_rosling_how_not_to_be... The video is about inequality and education, but the topic of corporate crime is skewed just as much. There are 6 million companies operating in US, employing 115 million people. If the majority of them were bre…

If your argument is "anecdotal evidence is much better than reported, sourced news" then I have to disagree, regardless of what the TED talk says. The examples are some of the biggest and most prestigious companies in the country and I'm gonna guess most of the low-level schmucks like me and my friends and family aren't in on the huge, illegal operations.

My argument is, you should distinguish two majorities, the majority of media-reported incidents, and the majority of some real-life things.

Those two are very different. If you don’t distinguish between them, you’ll come to absurd conclusions like “the majority of US drivers are drunk”, “vast majority of US citizens voted for Hillary”, or “the majority of US companies are breaking the law”.

> of the biggest and most prestigious companies in the country

Prestigious means nothing ‘coz it’s hard to measure that. But for biggest ones, here’s the list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_companies_by_r... Good luck finding Enron or Wells Fargo there.

Re: Avoid Non-Microsoft Antivirus Software

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Post by Const-me »

emodendroket wrote: post #384
Const-me wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as I expected, your beliefs are by 100% caused by media. The image of the world as it’s shown in the media is extremely biased. Watch this: https://www.ted.com/talks/hans_and_ola_rosling_how_not_to_be... The video is about inequality and education, but the topic of corporate crime is skewed just as much. There are 6 million companies operating in US, employing 115 million people. If the majority of them were bre…

If your argument is "anecdotal evidence is much better than reported, sourced news" then I have to disagree, regardless of what the TED talk says. The examples are some of the biggest and most prestigious companies in the country and I'm gonna guess most of the low-level schmucks like me and my friends and family aren't in on the huge, illegal operations.

Here’s some report on financial crimes in 2010-11: https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/financial-cr...

The total number of financial crime cases in 2011 was around 10000. Even if we assume each case was against different company (that gives us upper estimate), that’s merely 0.17% of the US companies who were charged with financial crimes in 2011.

As you see, real data is pretty close to my anecdotal evidence.

And it very far from your reported, sourced news.

Re: Avoid Non-Microsoft Antivirus Software

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Post by angry_octet »

edejong wrote: post #161
lottin wrote: post #111

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Not everyone. FOSS doesn't.

Ubuntu unity sells your searches in the desktop environment by default

It was a definite breach of trust. Back when it happened I had to get people to go through a lot of command line fiddling to fix it. I'm still mad that Canonical didn't publish an apology and a hotfix which made the behavior opt in.

https://fixubuntu.com/

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