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#71

The problem is not "fake news". The problem is people are treating the news like a product in the capitalist paradigm. If you don't like the way your local bakery makes their bread you go somewhere else. Now if the media reports on something you don't like someone else will tell you what you want to hear. This issue happens on both sides of the political spectrum BUT it does seem to be a lot worse on the conservative…

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Re: Fake News Challenge

#72

Mainstream media and their corporate backers have already lost this battle. This whole fake news attempt to remain relevant has backfired already, since it's much easier to prove that the peddlers of fake news are those who uncritically backed and still excuse the Iraq war, Libya catastrophe, attempted overthrow of the Syrian government just to name a few recent adventures. They've been beaten at their own game by an…

Yes, that is about the size of it.

Re: Fake News Challenge

#73

The problem is not "fake news". The problem is people are treating the news like a product in the capitalist paradigm. If you don't like the way your local bakery makes their bread you go somewhere else. Now if the media reports on something you don't like someone else will tell you what you want to hear. This issue happens on both sides of the political spectrum BUT it does seem to be a lot worse on the conservative…

"The problem is people are treating the news like a product in the capitalist paradigm" Boom! Precisely.

Re: Fake News Challenge

#74

The problem is not "fake news". The problem is people are treating the news like a product in the capitalist paradigm. If you don't like the way your local bakery makes their bread you go somewhere else. Now if the media reports on something you don't like someone else will tell you what you want to hear. This issue happens on both sides of the political spectrum BUT it does seem to be a lot worse on the conservative…

And yet, I'm sure none of your news, your sources, have been compromised.

I'm sure one of these anti science boogeymen you've created would think you are equally brainwashed and they are equally correct in their views...

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post #34

Fake news is generally identified by the reputation of its author (New York Times vs Alt-Right Patriot Freedom Observer). Nothing published by the Times or Wall Street Journal (despite any editorial bias) is fake, simply because we know (except in the rare circumstance) that they apply journalistic integrity in sourcing and writing articles. Much of what's published on "fringe" sites, especially if no mainstream outl…

Using "reputation" alone is a dangerous and naive standard -- the most powerful form of "fake news" is the selection/omission of stories and crafting of narratives around those stories, which is just as prevalent on "real news" sources like WaPo/CBS/CNN/NYT as it is on Fox/Breitbart and even 'fringe' sources. With the issue of opinions derived from factual events, which fit the bill of being 'misleading' (to some gro…

Just to nitpick: Krugman is on the opinion page, this is what he is supposed to be doing. David Brooks does the same thing, but usually on the conservative side of the arguments.

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post #4

>It should be possible to build a prototype post-facto “truth labeling” system [...] Such a system would tentatively label a claim or story as true/false based on the stances taken by various news organizations on the topic, weighted by their credibility. And of course nobody would love this technology more than the Chinese and Russian governments. Is a system aimed at quickly identifying obscure blogs that disagree…

Machine Learning technology is immensely powerful and will absolutely be used to both the detriment and benefit of the people at large. This is something we as technologists need to understand.

It's one of the reasons why our employment choices and our decisions around who to work with must be taken in the context the impact it will cause on the world around us. As we begin to automate more and more of traditionally human jobs, we're going to find our work inextricable from the political landscape our systems are creating.

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post #45

>Such a system would tentatively label a claim or story as true/false based on the stances taken by various news organizations on the topic, weighted by their credibility. Oh right, because we can all agree on which news organizations are credible. /s

Obviously the ones that run a news program at 6:30 pm with a heavy introductory drumbeat and lots of fanfare playing while a camera zooms in to a concerned-looking anchor person.

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post #39

It makes me sad to see yet another tech team go down the road of "machines will help us filter the truth" They will not, and the reason has to do with language. Ludwig Wittgenstein tackled this 100 years ago. The best that machines will do for you is to label something as true or not as if you had consumed the article and decided on your own That is a completely different thing from identifying fake news or truth The…

Wittgenstein wasn't around when a president used Twitter to both control the media and get elected. Maybe news could rely on first principles approach. Quantify things like political stability, information availability, cultural problems, etc. and maybe apply a first principles approach and maybe an algorithm could tell use what the hell is going on at any given moment and maybe give us some insight into what may go…

Good luck, sounds absolutely insane and unworkable. AI needs "Truth" inputs.

I imagine if we had this tool when George W invaded Iraq, this AI would have said Weapons Existed, being all the CIA, and Politicians said so.

Isn't that how your filter works? Anti alternative media, pro establishment?

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#79

Fake news is generally identified by the reputation of its author (New York Times vs Alt-Right Patriot Freedom Observer). Nothing published by the Times or Wall Street Journal (despite any editorial bias) is fake, simply because we know (except in the rare circumstance) that they apply journalistic integrity in sourcing and writing articles. Much of what's published on "fringe" sites, especially if no mainstream outl…

Man some of you guys seriously need to read Manufacturing Consent by Chomsky. I'm as anti-Trump as it gets, but the idea that NYT or WSJ are bastions of reputable journalism is ridiculous. See, for example, the list of controversies associated with the output of Pulitzer prize winner Thomas Friedman.

I put it in another comment on this subthread, but Friedman is an opinion writer, on the opinion page, not the news page. He's supposed to make controversial statements.

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#80

The problem is not "fake news". The problem is people are treating the news like a product in the capitalist paradigm. If you don't like the way your local bakery makes their bread you go somewhere else. Now if the media reports on something you don't like someone else will tell you what you want to hear. This issue happens on both sides of the political spectrum BUT it does seem to be a lot worse on the conservative…

The problem is that we ever believed the nonsense that there's some information source that is NOT a product, complete with biases and agendas.

The day the printing press was invented was the day print journalism was subverted to push agendas.

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