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Re: Fake News Challenge

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post #25

Alas we are not supposed to use that term anymore: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/its-time-to-r... Also somehow CNN shows in the front page of result for "fake news" image search on Google. It wouldn't be totally wrong, depending on how the term is defined.

Fact: 99% of "fake news website" classifications are in fact false.

Is that "fake news" ;-)

Heh, I think need an explicit meta-fake news category.

Re: Fake News Challenge

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post #37

Is anyone else put off by this obsession with "solving" fake news? As if we can simply throw technology at such a contentious and controversial issue and then trust the results. It reads to me like the goal is censorship, where only "approved" articles/authors are allowed, all in the name of "fact checking". Never mind that it's incredibly easy to cherry-pick facts or exaggerations to target "offensive" articles (by…

> Never mind that it's incredibly easy to cherry-pick facts or exaggerations to target "offensive" articles (by both/all sides).

Exactly. I'd argue that disingenuous news from mainstream news organisations is worse than dedicated "fake news" websites because they exploit legitimacy and reader-trust to peddle falsehoods. They are our port in a storm of bullsh*t, and they're failing us.

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I applaud this initiative. I am sure something good will come out of it, even though it does not completely resolve the problem. At least acknowledging and stepping in that direction is more than doing nothing.

That said, I think the other part of this problem is how the news is consumed. Our lazy minds are trained to read the shorter version if there is one available. Every day more people are liking the 140 character version of news. The more you read (from more people), the more you're reinforced in that belief. So while we train the models on news articles, we should also attempt to train on tweets. Just my two cents.

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#64
post #16

fake_news !== click_bait

I agree, but the distinction is really murky.

Consider the sensationalist headline "Trump Facing Impeachment for Muslim Ban".

Okay, a lot of people (including politicians) are saying "yeah we should maybe impeach that guy", and a lot of Muslims are affected by the order. But there's no impeachment trial and it's not a direct ban on all Muslims.

I don't think it's appropriate to shift all the blame to the publishers but, when people just read the title, nod approvingly, and close their browser, it's the same effect.

Re: Fake News Challenge

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I think we are turning *term into a thing. The more we talk about it, and try to combat it, the more it's roots grows and settle in.

This is not a new thing, and we used to simply ignore it. Now we made it a thing.

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Not to sound cliche but I believe the bigger problem in this country is education, which apparently has failed many in this country on both sides of the political spectrum, if the past couple of years are any indication. I guarantee you fix people's problems with English, Math, and History in the classroom, you will have no need for machines or algorithms to filter junk that influences people online.

Russia and China absolutely kick our butts in all these education categories, yet each in its own way is halfway down the road to a being a benighted, ignorant post-modern totalitarian state. Making us better at reading graphs and interpreting data about climate change is a nice goal, but the great strength of the United States is being an open, liberal republic with institutions (like the press) that people trust, not an illiberal democracy as Russia and others are trying to promote with their cunning use of the Internet and social media. That is exactly what is under attack. We need to make some tools that build our muscles to discover, consume and evaluate views that are different than ours, not just map reduce all the news articles.

Re: Fake News Challenge

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The problem is not "fake news". The problem is people are treating the news like a product in the capitalist paradigm. If you don't like the way your local bakery makes their bread you go somewhere else. Now if the media reports on something you don't like someone else will tell you what you want to hear. This issue happens on both sides of the political spectrum BUT it does seem to be a lot worse on the conservative…

> A significant portion of the electorate has been drinking from the well and cannot be reached.

How is that any different than people in the Bible Belt who believe the earth was made in 7 days ? Or elderly people who become vulnerable and fall prey to exploitation (because they believe phone scams, or sob stories from strangers, etc) ? (Edit: or young people who think they're going to grow up and be an astronaut or NBA star). There will always be a sizable proportion of the population who believes wacky stories.

I know you weren't implying this, but NYT and WaPo's hands aren't clean either. I really didn't appreciate how they pushed the "Russia HACKED the election" narrative. That's predatory on the same level: take advantage of the nebulous word "hacking" and misapply it to something that doesn't even rely on computers, do some hand-waiving, and voila, there's some "fake news" to dish up to the masses [which is ironic when your other stories are about the spread of "fake news"].

Re: Fake News Challenge

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Not to sound cliche but I believe the bigger problem in this country is education, which apparently has failed many in this country on both sides of the political spectrum, if the past couple of years are any indication. I guarantee you fix people's problems with English, Math, and History in the classroom, you will have no need for machines or algorithms to filter junk that influences people online.

Exactly what I was thinking today. Our laziness to read (longer articles, books, etc) and think has caused this problem. Educate the people and this will go away on its own.
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