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Re: Fake News Challenge

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RodericDay wrote: post #15
sgustard wrote: post #11

Fake news is generally identified by the reputation of its author (New York Times vs Alt-Right Patriot Freedom Observer). Nothing published by the Times or Wall Street Journal (despite any editorial bias) is fake, simply because we know (except in the rare circumstance) that they apply journalistic integrity in sourcing and writing articles. Much of what's published on "fringe" sites, especially if no mainstream outl…

Man some of you guys seriously need to read Manufacturing Consent by Chomsky. I'm as anti-Trump as it gets, but the idea that NYT or WSJ are bastions of reputable journalism is ridiculous. See, for example, the list of controversies associated with the output of Pulitzer prize winner Thomas Friedman.

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Re: Fake News Challenge

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Post by msielski »

I am I missing something or is this challenge to produce a system which determines if the headline agrees with a body of text? Many so called "fake news" sites would pass this test with flying colors as their fake headlines are supported by equally fake stories. This seems more like a test against clickbait.

Re: Fake News Challenge

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Post by jjawssd »

dingo_bat wrote: post #17
sgustard wrote: post #11

Fake news is generally identified by the reputation of its author (New York Times vs Alt-Right Patriot Freedom Observer). Nothing published by the Times or Wall Street Journal (despite any editorial bias) is fake, simply because we know (except in the rare circumstance) that they apply journalistic integrity in sourcing and writing articles. Much of what's published on "fringe" sites, especially if no mainstream outl…

So in your assessment "fake" just means non-mainstream. Haven't seen the word defined like this before.

I can't believe that we have reached this point

Re: Fake News Challenge

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Post by ng12 »

sgustard wrote: post #11

Fake news is generally identified by the reputation of its author (New York Times vs Alt-Right Patriot Freedom Observer). Nothing published by the Times or Wall Street Journal (despite any editorial bias) is fake, simply because we know (except in the rare circumstance) that they apply journalistic integrity in sourcing and writing articles. Much of what's published on "fringe" sites, especially if no mainstream outl…

It's not clear to me which is more of a problem. With obviously fake news you can at least use well-researched facts to argue against it. When CNN keeps pushing the narrative (i.e. relentlessly talking about Hillary "winning" the debates when in hindsight she obviously didn't) it's a much more subversive, subtle kind of fake.

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Post by lacampbell »

gukov wrote: post #19
slaunchwise wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The day we believe that is the day the fascists win.

Not everyone that doesn't share your beliefs is a fascist.

99% of the time when I see "fascist" being thrown around its name calling. Now days I just read it as "something a left winger doesn't like". Antifa movements make a lot more sense in that context too.

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Post by cmdrfred »

wccrawford wrote: post #18
slaunchwise wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The day we believe that is the day the fascists win.

Unfortunately, it's how most people, on both sides, define it. Far too many people are unwilling to recognize that news that confirms their world view might be fact. They cannot or will not challenge it, and simply accept it as fact.

The right believes Obama is from Kenya, the left believes Trump just signed an order that banned Muslims. Both claims upon inspection fall apart immediately. The fact that both of these are so widely believed shows you how little critical thinking and research the average person does. They really just want "their team" to win, it's really a instinctual reaction more than a intellectual one.

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Post by Fauntleroy »

gukov wrote: post #19
slaunchwise wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The day we believe that is the day the fascists win.

Not everyone that doesn't share your beliefs is a fascist.

That's definitely something that needs to be said. I've seen way too many instances where people immediately label someone a fascist for giving even an inkling of support for something Trump did. I wish people could calm down just long enough to have something resembling useful discourse.

Re: Fake News Challenge

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Post by DanielBMarkham »

It makes me sad to see yet another tech team go down the road of "machines will help us filter the truth"

They will not, and the reason has to do with language. Ludwig Wittgenstein tackled this 100 years ago. The best that machines will do for you is to label something as true or not as if you had consumed the article and decided on your own

That is a completely different thing from identifying fake news or truth

There's some value here. There are also some hard stops. You'll find them :) Best of luck, guys!

Re: Fake News Challenge

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Post by rdtsc »

slaunchwise wrote: post #14
coolspot wrote: post #2

It is simple: everything that does not match your beliefs is a fake news.

The day we believe that is the day the fascists win.

The day we stop calling the side we don't agree with fascists just because we don't agree with them is the day we might start winning.
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