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Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by wpietri »

brbrodude wrote: post #520
wpietri wrote: post #510

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Innocent people are already being harmed. Here, refugees and Muslims. The protest is to call attention to that harm. But let's run with your notion. Suppose there is somebody who says: "I guess I didn't know about the civil rights violations and the deaths that this policy will result in. And I guess it's terrible that these refugees have been waiting years in limbo trying to rebuild their lives. But what's really im…

You sir have a lot of patience. I read the "arguments" as "the children don't want to be bothered". That thing about order x justice sums it up. They don't give a shit.

Thanks. I have some compassion, because none of us really wants to be bothered. I too would like to stay in my comfortable bubble. But sometimes people wake up.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by jack9 »

wpietri wrote: post #559
jack9 wrote: post #194

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The injustice is the negative peace we have been living in. At some point the Executive sins of the Bush/DNC dynasties has to be rolled back. I mean, it's not like he invaded a country and got people killed. It's fantastic that Trump's small steps have lit a fire, albeit misdirected. Maybe it's just a side effect of the massive unemployment married with the social phenomena.

Trump did actually already invade a country and get people killed, so you'll have to stop using that tired rhetorical trope: http://nymag.com/thecut/2017/01/an-8-year-old-girl-died-in-t... But racial injustice isn't just a side effect. It is quite often the point. If you read Loewen's Sundown Towns, you can see that quite often white people just don't like to see black people doing well, especially doing better than…

> Trump did actually already invade a country

You're playing with words to fit a narrative, which doesn't match reality. At the same time, the Trump tropes are not about invasion of another country, so now you're being disingenuous just to argue. Good luck with that.

I'll continue to assert most of the outrage is misdirected.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by didibus »

inverse_pi wrote: post #469
didibus wrote: post #103

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If we stop thinking of it as deleting Uber and start thinking of it as install lyft, I think it makes more sense. Lyft took a very public opposition stance and committed to give 1 000 000$ to support an advocacy group. And this isn't necessarily a stance against Trump, but just this particular executive order.

That still doesn't justify it though. Uber also took a public opposition stance against Trump [1][2]. Having a seat at the table doesn't mean they agree with Trump on EVERYTHING. It just means a chance to voice their opinions. [1] http://venturebeat.com/2017/01/29/uber-creating-3-million-fu... [2] Travis's facebook post

I wouldn't care about Lyft or any other company that only posted a message of support. If you don't put your money where your mouth is, I don't care what you say, but Lyft did, 1000000$ of it. That's the key differentiator. If Uber starts to walk the walk and not just talk the talk, I'll reinstall it.

Edit: Eh =D, I replied before reading your link. Looks like I can reinstall Uber, good cause I like having the options. I still hope that companies realize my above point going forward.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by s0me0ne »

Companies make mistakes all the time that cost them. Uber just made one that will be talked about in hundreds of ways now. Just like Friendster, MySpace, Magnolia, Digg, etc.

It may not be fair, but it happens. Knowing how to make good decisions counts a lot regardless if you are at the top on on the way up.

In in the end, the customers decide what they feel is best.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by brenschluss »

manigandham wrote: post #277
rosser wrote: post #243

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Go re-read "Letter from a Birmingham Jail". The relevant bit has been quoted elsethread.

If you're talking about civil disobedience, then this taxi strike is not an example and ultimately not of much importance or purpose. Immigration and customs officials refusing to follow the ban order would be actual disobedience and far more effectual in signal and lives changed.

Civil disobedience is not a zero-sum game, and there are huge network effects in people protesting, striking, etc.

This happens all the time with people unused to protest. "Protests doesn't do anything", "Other things are more efficient", "Their demands are vague", "People should work on making policy instead of protesting", etc.

Network effects, people, network effects.

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

sleepybrett wrote: post #501
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #490

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> Uber are not taxis per se Of course Uber (and Lyft) are taxis. It's a service that you call to have a guy in a car come pick you up and take you directly to your destination. It's a different kind of taxi, certainly, but it's still a taxi. It's very fashionable right now for startups to pretend that they're really a completely different industry than the one they're trying to disrupt, to distance themselves from th…

> to distance themselves from the stodgy image or, ya'know, regulatory laws.

That, too.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by manigandham »

brenschluss wrote: post #565
manigandham wrote: post #277

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If you're talking about civil disobedience, then this taxi strike is not an example and ultimately not of much importance or purpose. Immigration and customs officials refusing to follow the ban order would be actual disobedience and far more effectual in signal and lives changed.

Civil disobedience is not a zero-sum game, and there are huge network effects in people protesting, striking, etc. This happens all the time with people unused to protest. "Protests doesn't do anything", "Other things are more efficient", "Their demands are vague", "People should work on making policy instead of protesting", etc. Network effects, people, network effects.

What network effects? Awareness was an issue before the internet but we have instant global news coverage now, so what does this particular strike (which is not civil disobedience) do?

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Post by sangnoir »

KirinDave wrote: post #488
sangnoir wrote: post #294

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> Another perspective is that Christian and Muslim employees of those companies were told that the management's official policy is that certain aspects of their religious beliefs are wrong. How so? To my knowledge, the modern "Christian" marriage (and marriage rites) are dogmatic and have no basis in the either the old nor the new testament. Those whose sensibilities were offended were creating, to use your words "fa…

Attempting to disentangle modern faiths from their culture and social controls is a fundamentally flawed idea and gives no one pause. Everyone is primed by even decades of training to dismiss one aspect of holy text for another. And even if you could win that argument, a "personal" relationship with their deity (actually: their status within their religious community) will still reinforce their position until their r…

> Attempting to disentangle modern faiths from their culture and social controls is a fundamentally flawed idea and gives no one pause

Thanks for spelling it out plainly! I had not considered that "religious beliefs" can be anything one wants it to be, it doesn't need to be rooted on any theology. I guess it serves me right for my arm-chair sociology.

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Post by tommorris »

grzm wrote: post #248
kentor wrote: post #233

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling

Do you have something substantive to add besides posting the Wikipedia link? One could uncharitably interpret your comment as virtue signaling in and of itself.

Meta-virtue signalling: signalling that you are smarter and better informed by everyone else by dismissing anything anybody else does, however well intentioned, as mere virtue signalling.

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Post by grzm »

tommorris wrote: post #569
grzm wrote: post #248

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Do you have something substantive to add besides posting the Wikipedia link? One could uncharitably interpret your comment as virtue signaling in and of itself.

Meta-virtue signalling: signalling that you are smarter and better informed by everyone else by dismissing anything anybody else does, however well intentioned, as mere virtue signalling.

dismissing anything anybody else does, however well intentioned, as mere virtue signalling

Indeed. I think you've underscored exactly why calling out virtue signaling is so unhelpful for productive discourse.

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