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Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by jayajay »

aglavine wrote: post #527
jayajay wrote: post #327

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touche! Edit: Well, I slightly disagree. Even if the product doesn't require mass-adoption to be useful, it could surely benefit from branding/marketing and viral adoption to make it the desired product, in which case, it does still depend on who does all of that better. Even if Starbucks or Macbooks are more expensive, they have won their audience and increased their effective marketing force.

availabiity might be the killer feature here. Who has more drivers and can get them faster to the customers?

Whoever does it better.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by ubernostrum »

general_ai wrote: post #543
ubernostrum wrote: post #320

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Virtue signaling in this context means that actions of individuals are directed mostly at people within their political and social group, not outside it. Why is this a bad thing? Are you allowing for the possibility that it's easier to eventually sway outsiders if one first builds momentum with a significant group of like-minded people? Isn't it in fact very common to start by getting like-minded people to agree on a…

>> Why is it a bad thing? Because it achieves NOTHING. If the goal is to help those affected, the ONLY way to do that is by engaging with the administration. The only way you can engage with this particular administration is by not shitting all over it no matter what it does. This is what Musk is attempting to do. What the protesters are doing is ACTIVELY HARMFUL to that goal, because it makes softening of the restri…

The only way you can engage with this particular administration is by not shitting all over it no matter what it does. This is what Musk is attempting to do. What the protesters are doing is ACTIVELY HARMFUL to that goal, because it makes softening of the restrictions politically unfeasible.

Ask Obama how well "engaging" with Republicans worked over his two terms. Anyone who shows up expecting Republicans to negotiate and compromise and work together in good faith is going to be waiting an extremely long time for them to do it.

Absolute hard-line "say no to everything and slander them for even proposing it" politics dominated the past eight years and seem to have been incredibly successful for Republicans. Why not adopt a winning playbook?

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by ubernostrum »

bufbupa wrote: post #529
ubernostrum wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Virtue signaling in this context means that actions of individuals are directed mostly at people within their political and social group, not outside it. Why is this a bad thing? Are you allowing for the possibility that it's easier to eventually sway outsiders if one first builds momentum with a significant group of like-minded people? Isn't it in fact very common to start by getting like-minded people to agree on a…

Not the poster this comment was in reply to, but I feel they made a fair explanation that you simply chose not to consider; perhaps because of how they phrased it? Allow me to rephrase. The trend this thread is related to (Lyft downloads surge because of #deleteUber) is a blatant hypocrisy. Neither company complied with the taxi boycott, and Uber only removed surge pricing after the strike was scheduled to end. This…

Your suggestion is impossible, because "virtue signalling" is now a thought-terminating cliché for the right. But I wish you luck in trying to negotiate and compromise and find common ground -- the past eight years demonstrated that you should be prepared to wait for the heat death of the universe before it happens.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by avatar345 »

It seems clear to me that by not supporting the strike, Uber avoided choosing sides, which among Tech companies is as if it explicitly came out and supported Trump's executive order.

However, I don't understand how the strike was intended to help the victims, or change policy. A strike is meant to inconvenience a group of decision makers. If a company won't pay fair wages, the the employees stop performing work. Then the company cannot make profit and must find scabs, or give in. If university officials implement unfair or corrupt policies, then students occupy the decision makers' offices.

However, it seems like this strike was meant to inconvenience no one related to the problem. Perhaps someone can comment on what I'm missing.

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Post by taneq »

wpietri wrote: post #510
taneq wrote: post #271

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> As MLK explains, the point is to create a more general disruption so that everyone has to take notice of an issue they might otherwise ignore The problem with this approach is that unless you do it in a way that's relevant to the original issue, you're just dragging innocent people into your fight and victimizing them. Depending on how much of an asshat you are to them (like, say, stranding them for several hours a…

Innocent people are already being harmed. Here, refugees and Muslims. The protest is to call attention to that harm. But let's run with your notion. Suppose there is somebody who says: "I guess I didn't know about the civil rights violations and the deaths that this policy will result in. And I guess it's terrible that these refugees have been waiting years in limbo trying to rebuild their lives. But what's really im…

> Innocent people are already being harmed.

So the solution is to harm more? That's not a peaceful protest, that's terrorism.

Raise awareness. Be loud. Be visible. But if you base your protest around screwing up someone else's day the response you get will more likely be "hey maybe you deserved it" than "wow we should help these people."

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Post by leereeves »

kj01a wrote: post #453
dvdhnt wrote: post #440

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I think we could all agree by calling it a work-stoppage. To me they're basically all the same but a strike is generally a work stoppage intended to force management to in some way improve the employment environment whereas a political protest can and usually is directed outwards and occurs for any number of reasons.

> a strike is generally a work stoppage intended to force management to in some way This is also a political protest. Just because it's not against the U.S. government doesn't make it less so.

There's nothing political about a contractual dispute between two private parties.

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Post by kj01a »

leereeves wrote: post #556
kj01a wrote: post #453

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> a strike is generally a work stoppage intended to force management to in some way This is also a political protest. Just because it's not against the U.S. government doesn't make it less so.

There's nothing political about a contractual dispute between two private parties.

Yes, there is.

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Post by Iv »

rubber_duck wrote: post #333
Iv wrote: post #317

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> This is like if Coca Cola workers went on strike, and problem blamed Pespi Co of breaking strike by not sending their workers home?? Well, yes, that's how a general strike works. You expect every worker in the field to follow. This is not a strike to get better conditions within one company, this is a strike toward a governmental action.

>Well, yes, that's how a general strike works. You mean how it doesn't work. Cartels eventually fall apart when there's no way of enforcing the rules (no way to force someone to strike) because the incentives to cheat (drive during strike) are high.

Successful general strikes (a longer list than many people believe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_strike#Notable_general...) usually enforce it somehow. Possibly through illegal means.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by wpietri »

jack9 wrote: post #194
wpietri wrote: post #155

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You don't understand protest. Sure, one thing you can do is disrupt the specific people doing something bad. But that's pretty rare. As MLK explains, the point is to create a more general disruption so that everyone has to take notice of an issue they might otherwise ignore: "Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is…

The injustice is the negative peace we have been living in. At some point the Executive sins of the Bush/DNC dynasties has to be rolled back. I mean, it's not like he invaded a country and got people killed. It's fantastic that Trump's small steps have lit a fire, albeit misdirected. Maybe it's just a side effect of the massive unemployment married with the social phenomena.

Trump did actually already invade a country and get people killed, so you'll have to stop using that tired rhetorical trope: http://nymag.com/thecut/2017/01/an-8-year-old-girl-died-in-t...

But racial injustice isn't just a side effect. It is quite often the point. If you read Loewen's Sundown Towns, you can see that quite often white people just don't like to see black people doing well, especially doing better than themselves. You can see the same thing echoed in Hochschild's "Strangers in Their Own Lands", although people have mainly learned not to say it out loud.

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Post by wpietri »

taneq wrote: post #555
wpietri wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Innocent people are already being harmed. Here, refugees and Muslims. The protest is to call attention to that harm. But let's run with your notion. Suppose there is somebody who says: "I guess I didn't know about the civil rights violations and the deaths that this policy will result in. And I guess it's terrible that these refugees have been waiting years in limbo trying to rebuild their lives. But what's really im…

> Innocent people are already being harmed. So the solution is to harm more? That's not a peaceful protest, that's terrorism. Raise awareness. Be loud. Be visible. But if you base your protest around screwing up someone else's day the response you get will more likely be "hey maybe you deserved it" than "wow we should help these people."

Ok. If you really can't tell the difference between "hour late for dinner" and terrorism, then either you're trolling or you're beyond hope.

If you think you know a better way to lead protests, by all means show us how. But I have no time for armchair experts whose only contribution is "u r doin it rong bcuz I dont lik it".

The people who would say, "maybe those refugees deserved it" because something was mildly inconvenient for them were never, ever going to stir themselves to do the compassionate thing. Ditto the people who value a sliver of comfort over helping legal residents arbitrarily ejected from their homes.

Your claims here are those of the white moderates that MLK called the greatest stumbling block to black freedom. Apparently you haven't yet bothered to read his "Letter From A Birmingham Jail". But I'm done trying to spoon-feed it to you, so if you'd like to pursue this further, take it up with him.

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