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Post by zaroth »

comex wrote: post #157
cookiecaper wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>As an example, Rudy Giuliani, who seems to have been involved in drafting it, explains that it does From the article: " And what we did was, we focused on, instead of religion, danger — the areas of the world that create danger for us,” Giuliani told Pirro. “Which is a factual basis, not a religious basis. Perfectly legal, perfectly sensible. And that's what the ban is based on. It's not based on religion. It's base…

According to sources cited by the New York Times, the initial application to green card holders was quite intentional: > Mr. Kelly’s department had suggested green card holders be exempted from the order, but Mr. Bannon and Mr. Miller, a hard-liner on immigration, overruled him, according to two American officials. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/29/us/stephen-bannon-donald-...

I checked twice, and this doesn't seem to be in the Opinion section, but it is dripping wet with editorial. I read a lot of NYT, but with pieces like this it's really hard to find the news in between the ranting.

Re: Trump Fires Acting Attorney General

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Post by mikeash »

belovedeagle wrote: post #460
mikeash wrote: post #428

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Just to clarify, are you an (R) who is OK with this stuff? Or are you just more upset about consistency than rights abuses?

Why, are you confused about whether to downvote me? I don't see (a) why it should matter or (b) that it's any of your business... The fact that you need to know the letter next to my name to evaluate my statement is exactly what is wrong with America.

Because if you imagine yourself to be above the fray and are merely attacking me based on consistency, then my reply would involve asking you what you want (given that we can't go back in time and start fighting Obama harder) and why you're more concerned about consistency than abuses. If you're a Trump supporter, then I'd just go straight to pointing out how much worse Trump's actions are in this department.

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Post by LordKano »

dragonwriter wrote: post #443
LordKano wrote: post #333

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Both the President and the AG serve at the pleasure of the People of the United States, and Trump is about to find that out the hard way. Trump has the support of roughly half of the country. Regardless of how loud the opposition is, don't confuse their passion for widespread support.

> Trump has the support of roughly half of the country Per the latest Gallup daily tracking, 51% disapprove, 43% approve, and the quickest President to majority disapproval in the history of the tracking poll.

The same polls that predicted Hillary's win?

I'm not buying it.

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Post by nikdaheratik »

belovedeagle wrote: post #424
mikeash wrote: post #302

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Aren't many of the objections to the order based on constitutional concerns like depriving people of due process? That would override anything in the US Code.

Get real. The objections to the order are based exclusively on whether there's an (R) or a (D) next to the President's name. Nothing more. Incredible to see how many people suddenly "care" about the Constitution after 8 years of Obama wiping his feet on it.

Maybe because George W. Bush didn't pull anything like this and he was President during 9/11? You can't claim that the "D" is just as bad as "R" and then forget about every other President from both parties who didn't go about indiscriminately banning people with Permanent Resident status from entering the country.

And I'll take a Law Professor over a reality TV star when it comes to protecting the Constitution and running the government while obeying the law.

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Post by belovedeagle »

mikeash wrote: post #462
belovedeagle wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why, are you confused about whether to downvote me? I don't see (a) why it should matter or (b) that it's any of your business... The fact that you need to know the letter next to my name to evaluate my statement is exactly what is wrong with America.

Because if you imagine yourself to be above the fray and are merely attacking me based on consistency, then my reply would involve asking you what you want (given that we can't go back in time and start fighting Obama harder) and why you're more concerned about consistency than abuses. If you're a Trump supporter, then I'd just go straight to pointing out how much worse Trump's actions are in this department.

What do I want? I'd love for the (D)s to be way less fucking smug and sanctimonious for starters. Less hypocritical would be nice too, but let's stay within the realm of the conceivable... As for what to do now, well, figure it out yourself; the people in the crowd who actually care about civil liberties are too busy enjoying the sweet, sweet liberal tears to do anything for a few more weeks at least.

Re: Trump Fires Acting Attorney General

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Post by mikeash »

belovedeagle wrote: post #465
mikeash wrote: post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because if you imagine yourself to be above the fray and are merely attacking me based on consistency, then my reply would involve asking you what you want (given that we can't go back in time and start fighting Obama harder) and why you're more concerned about consistency than abuses. If you're a Trump supporter, then I'd just go straight to pointing out how much worse Trump's actions are in this department.

What do I want? I'd love for the (D)s to be way less fucking smug and sanctimonious for starters. Less hypocritical would be nice too, but let's stay within the realm of the conceivable... As for what to do now, well, figure it out yourself; the people in the crowd who actually care about civil liberties are too busy enjoying the sweet, sweet liberal tears to do anything for a few more weeks at least.

"the people in the crowd who actually care about civil liberties are too busy enjoying the sweet, sweet liberal tears to do anything for a few more weeks at least."

This is a contradiction. If you'd rather enjoy the defeat of your enemies, you don't actually care about civil liberties.

This is what's actually wrong with America: the fact that politics has devolved into a simple team sport, where the only goal is to win and have the other team lose.

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Post by belovedeagle »

mikeash wrote: post #466
belovedeagle wrote: post #465

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do I want? I'd love for the (D)s to be way less fucking smug and sanctimonious for starters. Less hypocritical would be nice too, but let's stay within the realm of the conceivable... As for what to do now, well, figure it out yourself; the people in the crowd who actually care about civil liberties are too busy enjoying the sweet, sweet liberal tears to do anything for a few more weeks at least.

"the people in the crowd who actually care about civil liberties are too busy enjoying the sweet, sweet liberal tears to do anything for a few more weeks at least." This is a contradiction. If you'd rather enjoy the defeat of your enemies, you don't actually care about civil liberties. This is what's actually wrong with America: the fact that politics has devolved into a simple team sport, where the only goal is to w…

No, no, you weren't paying attention. The (D)s aren't our enemies; they're the smug hypocrites who are or will soon be completely inconsequential in American politics, and who (to our immense amusement) haven't accepted this yet. I didn't say we derive pleasure from your loss, only your tears. The tears of the right would have been just as sweet if they were the sort to throw tantrums, which, thankfully, they're not.

Edit: Also, back to, er, polite discourse, I don't believe the state of civil liberties has significantly changed in the past, what, 11 days. I know you won't accept that thanks to fake-news-ordered outrage, but it's true. So you mistake my non reaction to a non event for apathy, which it's not.

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Post by mikeash »

belovedeagle wrote: post #467
mikeash wrote: post #466

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the people in the crowd who actually care about civil liberties are too busy enjoying the sweet, sweet liberal tears to do anything for a few more weeks at least." This is a contradiction. If you'd rather enjoy the defeat of your enemies, you don't actually care about civil liberties. This is what's actually wrong with America: the fact that politics has devolved into a simple team sport, where the only goal is to w…

No, no, you weren't paying attention. The (D)s aren't our enemies; they're the smug hypocrites who are or will soon be completely inconsequential in American politics, and who (to our immense amusement) haven't accepted this yet. I didn't say we derive pleasure from your loss, only your tears. The tears of the right would have been just as sweet if they were the sort to throw tantrums, which, thankfully, they're not.…

What nonsense. You derive pleasure not from their loss, but from their tears? Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess, but it sure looks silly when stated in public.

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Post by flukus »

logicalmind wrote: post #335
flukus wrote: post #175

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It's impossible to say what the vote count would have been had the rules been different. There are a lot of potential trump voters in very populous states that likely stayed at home.

Here's alternative way to think about this. If you consider the fact that a lot of states are oppressive to their people(minority suppression, anti-choice, anti-environment, etc.) you see that people who can't live under those rules move elsewhere. Often to larger states/cities. The problem with this is that it only sways the electoral college more in the direction of the oppressors. Non-oppressive states get bigger,…

In reality it's the opposite that seems to be happening, red states becoming more metropolitan and turning blue. But what we saw with Trump was him winning traditionally blue states. Were those traditionally blue states being oppressive and sending their minorities to California?

Re: Trump Fires Acting Attorney General

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Post by thewhitetulip »

stillsut wrote: post #321
thewhitetulip wrote: post #312

If I am not wrong this sets the wrong precedent, although it is hardly surprising that he has done this. I get a sense of Hitler and the Nazi party idelogy from this, they killed their opponents, now it is just firing & shaming & blah blah that their trolls do. But these things start innocuously, nobody knew that Hitler would turn out that way, not even thise who were mesmerized by his charisma, they staunchly suppor…

Request for feature on HN: anytime you write 'Hitler', your comment starts out at -1 karma.

Do you get the irony?
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