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Request for Startups: News, Jobs, and Democracy

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Re: Request for Startups: News, Jobs, and Democracy

#271

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I'm going to pass along something my wife told me about, that happened when she was living in Idaho with her first husband. It was seriously suggested by some of the locals that she should undergo an exorcism. The evil spirit allegedly possessing her, that was to be the target of this procedure: her university education. There are lot of people in rural areas in the US who not only do not have a lot of education but…

I try not to let the anti-vaxxers, hippies, or the Hollywood stars brand whole areas, or my experience in San Francisco in 1988 with a broken down car and told to go find a tow truck. "a lot of education but who have an active antipathy to it." An yet, I live with people who cherish it right here in rural America. Parents sacrificed to get kids in college. Doctors are listened to (yep, get your shots). Its ok, really…

The attitude you're responding to is a big reason for why Trump had so much support per David Wong:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-on...

I find his analysis good on top of being entertaining. Echos a lot of what I've heard living in Red states. Forgot to add that most people around here are just down-to-earth, working-class people who go to work, raise kids, have fun with friends, etc. Normal people.

Re: Request for Startups: News, Jobs, and Democracy

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post #104

The best technology we can apply to democracy is to have our elections be conducted entirely by pencil and paper with a completely open, public and full count of all votes.

And of popular votes with no shenanigans on registration or voter ID's.

Re: Request for Startups: News, Jobs, and Democracy

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I am a little ambivalent about this. On the one hand the intent is probably good but on the other hand companies like YC and Silicon Valley are drivers of a lot of developments that led to the current situation. - Silicon Valley is a great example of growing inequality. Most of the rewards go disproportionally to a select few at the top - A lot of VC companies are killing a lot of previously relatively stable jobs. U…

> Don't want to be too negative but technology is not only a force for good but also causes problems for a lot of people. Technology is a tool. Effects depend on who handles it / with which incentives. It can naturally facilitate wrongdoing (intended or not) but it also can – and it would be irresponsible not to use it – to counter said wrongdoings.

you have just succinctly justified arms races and the development of new weapons and counter-weapons.

Re: Request for Startups: News, Jobs, and Democracy

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As far as truth is concerned, there can be no algorithm that can take care of that for a very simple reason. Media has an inherent bias all the time, be it geographical, cultural, political, etc.

Read an article in the BBC about the Russian Federation or China, and it will always have some sort of, oh but check this bad thing these guys are doing, or they are weird in some way.

Do the same with Fox News and you will come out with a view that Democrats are ruining the country.

I could go on and on, but the most effective way to get your daily fix is, read both sides of an issue by their promoters. Read what the bigot and the gay guy are saying. What the jew and the muslim are saying. What the Chinese and Japanese are saying.

Make up your mind, choose sides, but at least you will have tiny pieces of info that were conveniently left out by the other side.

Re: Request for Startups: News, Jobs, and Democracy

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post #30

A category of applications that I'd like to see YC helping along are those things that could help ordinary people run for office. The things off the top of my head I can see technology helping with: * Leveraging social networking to generate social permission for people to stand for office, which I think is the most important obstacle facing people who might consider running --- far more so than money. * Using techno…

All worthy suggestions. TLDR: Replace current campaign managers, consultants, fund raisers, etc. Which I totally support. But how? Please ask candidates (past, present and future) about running for office. Better yet, run for office. See what it's like. I highly recommend the training from http://wellstone.org and http://democraticfuture.org . I'm sure there's others. Also, join some local campaigns and do the grunt…

I don't think the actual running is much of a technical problem. I think getting people to run is.

Re: Request for Startups: News, Jobs, and Democracy

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Education should be on this list. The root of all these problems stem from a lack of effective education. 1) The current methods are highly ineffective for teaching By getting more effective at teaching children, and helping them to self educate, we get better informed citizens who can interpret news more accurately and effectively participate in democracy. 2) The current goals for education do not align with current…

As long as education is controlled by government, directional decisions will be made politically. Try bringing up the idea of shrinking class sizes by eliminating the football program at your next town-hall and see what happens. The only lasting solution will be to allow true market competition for education to replace the centralized top-down system we have. Yes, it's a libertarian pipe dream. No, I don't want to he…

I love the idea of a "free market in education" in theory but I do think that we have enough data to know that '"poor people will not be educated" by such a system.'

Every implementation of a freer market for education that I've read about has had a significant amount of scamming and kids left behind.

We have a free market for food, we subsidize food for poor people, and the market for food is much 'thicker' and 'fluid' than the market for education -- but we still have food deserts. If the free market + subsidies can't make healthy food available to everyone, what chance do we have with education.

Re: Request for Startups: News, Jobs, and Democracy

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As a teacher, I would kill for a collaborative curriculum and assessment tool. A "backend" service for creating, managing, and personalizing curriculum materials would go a long way to mitigate the absolutely astounding amount of redundant labor that goes on in schools ( you're really creating a comprehension quiz for To Kill a Mockingbird from scratch? ). Contrary to popular belief - even here on HN - teachers are c…

I think there's massive scope for improving the delivery of educational material, but most of my ideas have been related to later secondary education and university and to what I as a learner have wanted, not what the teacher/educator has wanted. It's been an open question for me how to improve education in earlier years where there's probably less scope for self-learning, and more focus should be on how to improve t…

Thanks for the comment. I'll get back to you this evening.

Re: Request for Startups: News, Jobs, and Democracy

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Reputation. Reputation is the problem.

Care to extrapolate?

Two hundred years ago if you stood up and told a pack of lies, someone would challenge you, and you would either have to back down or face them in a duel. Nowadays you just repeat your lies.

Re: Request for Startups: News, Jobs, and Democracy

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> Modern corporations are run like totalitarian, authoritarian regimes with top-down orders being barked down. If you disobey, you're out. People in Western democracies are no longer putting up with non-democratic control of their political institutions, but are completely oblivious to non-democratic control of their economic institutions and are perfectly willing to take orders where and when it matters most -- ever…

It sounds socialist because it is textbook socialism. Your assertion that value, wealth, and prosperity are created through the hard work and sacrifice by business owners is of course disputed by socialists. You're begging the question here. If you stipulate that value in society is created by the very process that socialists want to dismantle, then of course being a socialist is irrational. No real conversation can…

If I'm dismissive it's because we've had a lot of field tests of socialism throughout history, as well as in economic studies, and the results are always poor. It's a dangerous mindset to not examine critically because it is a slippery slope towards communism, the most inhumane type of society responsible for the most deaths in human history (much more than religion).

> Value in society is created by teachers, whom get paid poorly.

Many teachers (pre-college) are essentially babysitters who recite state-certified textbooks. This not value in itself, but it does free the parents to work to create value. Value is also created by the students who go on to create exceptional things. Some are inspired by good teachers, yes, but this seems to be the exception than the norm.

> By PhD students, who get paid poorly.

Apprentices in older times got paid poorly too, but many went on to create value who wouldn't have otherwise without the extensive training. It's an investment. You don't get paid well while in training because you're still an unknown quantity for the most part.

> By parents who raise their children well for no compensation at all.

The purpose of capturing value is to be able to start a family and pass on your genetics (for most people). And those who raise their children well often do get compensated later in life, if not with direct support, than with higher probabilities that their children will be successful and continue passing on their shared genes.

> By all the millions of people who get to work every day and don't get compensated handsomely for the effort.

You don't get compensted for effort, you get compensated for value. You can dig a ditch with a spoon for a lot of effort, guess what, it's not valuable.

> If there are so many people willing to work hard and sacrifice for the good of society without any chance of striking it rich, why should business owners be the exception? That's the fundamental question socialists ask.

As I showed above, hard work a.k.a effort is not, and should not, be a determining factor of one's wealth. Many people work hard but are using "spoons" so to speak. This doesn't create value. Planning the logistics of a digging operation (tool equipment rental, worker recruiting and scheduling, end customer sales, planning real estate builds, etc) creates value, even if it means I only plan these things for a few months then sit back while other people do the digging.

Now not everyone can do that simultaneously. For one, not everyone is smart enough to do higher-level planning. Intelligence is rewarded economically, and we see this with IQ-income correlations. Secondly, even if everyone were the same intelligence level, we can't have everyone be a planner/developer and nobody be a digger (or excavator operator). But then guess what happens, the worker class becomes rare and so the free market will start paying it much better as demand increases. If physical labour becomes scarce, that's what gets paid more.

Because we can fight neither the reality of scarcity driving value, nor the reality of greedy human nature, we ought to design systems whereby these forces can be put towards good. That's what capitalism does, and there's many examples of everyone being better off as a result (e.g. 600M+ Chinese people eating a lot better in the last few decades).

Finally, to emphasize human nature again, none of the examples you listed are exclusively for the "good of society". Being a teacher is a job with decent pay and good vacation, being a PhD student is an investment towards your future (earnings), being a parent and raising children well is how you pass on and secure your genetic lineage, and work is for economic survival, and eventually gives one the power to pass on their genes.

Re: Request for Startups: News, Jobs, and Democracy

#280
post #46

Democracy can be improved by having democracy in the workplace. Modern corporations are run like totalitarian, authoritarian regimes with top-down orders being barked down. If you disobey, you're out. People in Western democracies are no longer putting up with non-democratic control of their political institutions, but are completely oblivious to non-democratic control of their economic institutions and are perfectly…

> Modern corporations are run like totalitarian, authoritarian regimes with top-down orders being barked down. If you disobey, you're out. People in Western democracies are no longer putting up with non-democratic control of their political institutions, but are completely oblivious to non-democratic control of their economic institutions and are perfectly willing to take orders where and when it matters most -- ever…

Yes, as a small business owner, it's a tougher concept to come to terms with. You can try looking at it from different perspectives though.

For one, I'm sure a 12th century monarch or a lord would have a host of reasons why you're damn right it's my regime. Or a modern-day King Saud for that matter I guess. After all, it's his father who built his kingdom, and he has all the risks and responsibilities of a monarch. But for most Western observers, that is no longer defensible and most would elect to live somewhere with a democratic government.

Same goes to modern day dictatorships like North Korea. If not for international borders and internal controls, most North Koreans would probably prefer to leave their country. So, to continue the analogy, one could imagine a day in the future where as a small business owner, you are no longer able to attract any employees on the terms you're used to now -- not unless they are not employees, but co-workers with all equal rights and votes. And just as it's unimaginable and laughable in modern America for someone to start claiming that he's now a lord of XYZ county, and all those living within it are his peasants, it's not too hard to imagine a similar reaction to your proposal of employment for wages.

You can also look at it from another angle.

Why exactly is it that you want to have your own totalitarian regime within the organization you started? Is it just because you enjoy the power over people? Most people wouldn't say so. Besides, if you are the founder and know the business better than anyone, and have good leadership qualities, why wouldn't you be constantly re-elected as CEO?

And if your coworkers indeed approve of you as CEO, you would still get your greater earnings potential, although without being able to exploit your workers as much.

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