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AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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Post by mrob »

sethbannon wrote: post #34

"Each night after the play ended, the Pittsburgh Supercomputing Centre added computations to sharpen the AI's strategy." This sounds more like an "advanced chess" setup, where a human teams up with an AI to play. The title of the article should really be "amateur poker players + AI defeat professional poker players". The real test would be if the AI self-corrected over the length of the tournament, without human inte…

That's only true if the humans made decisions about what computations to do after each day's play. The computations could have been determined in advance, eg. always run some algorithm to analyze the opponent's play for weaknesses. That's not cheating because the human players get to do the same thing. It's impossible to enforce a "no thinking outside the game room" rule for a multi-day tournament.

Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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Post by bko »

Does anyone know the technical details of how to train and AI bot for a game like poker?

I imagine it's just reinforcement learning where the inputs are the actions of the individual players (hold/fold/raise, timing etc) and the statistical probabilities in terms of expected cards. Train a neural net to predict probability of the opponent's hands and act accordingly.

Is it just that the professionals all act similarly enough that the bot can learn based on other players?

Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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Post by bduerst »

brilliantcode wrote: post #5

it won't be long before we hearing more headlines like: "AI beats top 10 hedge fund managers" to "AI run hedge fund blows up due to black swan event" regardless it's an incredible feat. It really casts questions into what our edge as humans are which is slowly disappearing and we didn't even need to put a brain in a jar and hook it up to a computer....it's deep learning reinforced algorithms that is appearing to outl…

>AI beats top 10 hedge fund managers"

Hedge funds are already using A.I. successfully. I talked one manager who's team was trying to layer successful individual neural networks into a "bigger brain".

Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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Post by deepnotderp »

brilliantcode wrote: post #5

it won't be long before we hearing more headlines like: "AI beats top 10 hedge fund managers" to "AI run hedge fund blows up due to black swan event" regardless it's an incredible feat. It really casts questions into what our edge as humans are which is slowly disappearing and we didn't even need to put a brain in a jar and hook it up to a computer....it's deep learning reinforced algorithms that is appearing to outl…

> "So the question is, how does an average joe hacker like me exploit and leverage this wonderful thing called deep learning? I'm not interested in reading PHD papers with advanced calculus."

FFS, if you're not willing to read a paper with BASIC CALCULUS (it's HS/college, not advanced like fractional), then I'm not sure machine learning is the right place for you.

Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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Post by ayemeng »

jedberg wrote: post #31

EDIT: Read below, I am wrong. I clearly didn't know what I was talking about. This is a great achievement in AI, don't get me wrong, but the headline should read, "AI beats the best four poker players we could find who were willing to play for a mere $200K". All the actual best players play for millions and have a reputation to uphold. They would never agree to do this. They four guys they got are pretty good, and co…

They are at worst top 15 HUNL players in the world.

Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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Post by softawre »

sanswork wrote: post #40
jedberg wrote: post #31

EDIT: Read below, I am wrong. I clearly didn't know what I was talking about. This is a great achievement in AI, don't get me wrong, but the headline should read, "AI beats the best four poker players we could find who were willing to play for a mere $200K". All the actual best players play for millions and have a reputation to uphold. They would never agree to do this. They four guys they got are pretty good, and co…

>All the actual best players play for millions and have a reputation to uphold. All these players are high stakes players. I think you're underestimating the fun factor. As for reputation. For a poker player having a reputation as being beatable is a profitable thing to have. >but they aren't the best of the best. Who do you think is? Like how many people do you think rank above this group at HUNL?

I agree, these probably aren't the best.

Same as in programming. There are some great programmers that we all know and that are public figures. But the absolute best? Probably making high 7 figures working in a dark room somewhere.

Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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Post by deepnotderp »

bduerst wrote: post #43
brilliantcode wrote: post #5

it won't be long before we hearing more headlines like: "AI beats top 10 hedge fund managers" to "AI run hedge fund blows up due to black swan event" regardless it's an incredible feat. It really casts questions into what our edge as humans are which is slowly disappearing and we didn't even need to put a brain in a jar and hook it up to a computer....it's deep learning reinforced algorithms that is appearing to outl…

>AI beats top 10 hedge fund managers" Hedge funds are already using A.I. successfully. I talked one manager who's team was trying to layer successful individual neural networks into a "bigger brain".

Been there, done that (well kind, of, via several small specialized nets). Actually a pretty good trading strategy, but works better if you actually have capital to use it....

Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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Post by softawre »

sanswork wrote: post #40
jedberg wrote: post #31

EDIT: Read below, I am wrong. I clearly didn't know what I was talking about. This is a great achievement in AI, don't get me wrong, but the headline should read, "AI beats the best four poker players we could find who were willing to play for a mere $200K". All the actual best players play for millions and have a reputation to uphold. They would never agree to do this. They four guys they got are pretty good, and co…

>All the actual best players play for millions and have a reputation to uphold. All these players are high stakes players. I think you're underestimating the fun factor. As for reputation. For a poker player having a reputation as being beatable is a profitable thing to have. >but they aren't the best of the best. Who do you think is? Like how many people do you think rank above this group at HUNL?

I agree, these probably aren't the best.

Same as in programming. There are some great programmers that we all know and that are public figures. But the absolute best? Probably making high 7 figures working in a dark room somewhere.

Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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Post by ifdefdebug »

brilliantcode wrote: post #5

it won't be long before we hearing more headlines like: "AI beats top 10 hedge fund managers" to "AI run hedge fund blows up due to black swan event" regardless it's an incredible feat. It really casts questions into what our edge as humans are which is slowly disappearing and we didn't even need to put a brain in a jar and hook it up to a computer....it's deep learning reinforced algorithms that is appearing to outl…

It's just that AI researchers are exploring and finding every single field where deep learning algorithms perform better than humans. Play poker, run hedge funds...

But for instance understanding and specially producing meaningful language, let it be natural language or programming language? I hope not so.

Because otherwise, your average joe hacker might as well shut down their IDE and say good bye.

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