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AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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it won't be long before we hearing more headlines like: "AI beats top 10 hedge fund managers" to "AI run hedge fund blows up due to black swan event" regardless it's an incredible feat. It really casts questions into what our edge as humans are which is slowly disappearing and we didn't even need to put a brain in a jar and hook it up to a computer....it's deep learning reinforced algorithms that is appearing to outl…

> "AI run hedge fund blows up due to black swan event" Knight Capital, 2012: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-08-02/knight-sh...

That wasn't really an AI failure:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Capital_Group#2012_stoc...

Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

#23
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Unfortunately this fails to impress me, merely because you could theoretically build a terrible AI and still win.

Just showing your ignorance. That margin of victory over that many hands isn't luck or coincidence. The pros were absolutely dominated.

I disagree and it's not ignorance on my part. Due to the nature of the poker and heavily weighted component of luck, a terrible AI can theoretically win.

I am sure the AI they built is a mighty and spectacular achievement, but poker is about the only game I know where the worst player can easily beat the best player. Prove me wrong and I'll happily accept your insult of "ignorance"

edit I should have been more clear, as I am extremely impressed with the AI's results of hands over time. I am referring to the context of a standard tournament where the loser is eliminated after losing their chips.

Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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post #21
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "AI run hedge fund blows up due to black swan event" Knight Capital, 2012: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-08-02/knight-sh...

That wasn't really an AI failure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Capital_Group#2012_stoc...

Even if a human deployed it, considering that everything automated by a computer can now be called AR by PR agencies it is an AI failure ;)

Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just showing your ignorance. That margin of victory over that many hands isn't luck or coincidence. The pros were absolutely dominated.

I disagree and it's not ignorance on my part. Due to the nature of the poker and heavily weighted component of luck, a terrible AI can theoretically win. I am sure the AI they built is a mighty and spectacular achievement, but poker is about the only game I know where the worst player can easily beat the best player. Prove me wrong and I'll happily accept your insult of "ignorance" edit I should have been more clear,…

On a hand by hand basis, sure. In freezeout tournaments, yes. In heads-up over 120k hands? No. This was not a lucky win. And I say this speaking as a one-time full time player in a number of formats. Variance does not explain this loss.

Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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Did I read the article incorrectly, or did it say that the bots creators were feeding it additional data each night before the next day's tournament? If so that defeats the entire purpose, doesn't it?

in what way would that defeat the purpose? the players can also review their days play during the night

Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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Hmm, why is it surprising that AI is good at poker? The way I see the game is that a bad poker player will just hold a model of his hand in mind. A slightly better one will also hold a model of his opponent's hand. Even better one will also model his opponent's model of himself... and so on recursively. And who's really good at recursion? Computers.

I tend to agree, but I suppose there is also a bluffing element.

How likely is it your opponent is bluffing, based on their past behavior?

Should you try and bluff this hand?

Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

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Hmm, why is it surprising that AI is good at poker? The way I see the game is that a bad poker player will just hold a model of his hand in mind. A slightly better one will also hold a model of his opponent's hand. Even better one will also model his opponent's model of himself... and so on recursively. And who's really good at recursion? Computers.

People have been trying and failing to do so for decades, the state space of the underlying incomplete information game is absolutely massive.

Re: AI Beats Four Top Poker Players

#30

Did I read the article incorrectly, or did it say that the bots creators were feeding it additional data each night before the next day's tournament? If so that defeats the entire purpose, doesn't it?

in what way would that defeat the purpose? the players can also review their days play during the night

Yeah... I guess I was just expecting the AI to be more self-learning and self-tuning...
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