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New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr

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Post by _Wintermute »

WildUtah wrote: post #363
_Wintermute wrote: post #340

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> There should be no problem continuing to hire PhDs and other foreigners with actual unique skillsets at $130k. You're applying your software-dev tainted view of salaries to the sciences - how much do you think a typical PhD-holding research scientist earns?

Scientists used to make a good living in the USA. Now the market is flooded with cheap foreigners and science is a road to poverty. Ending the employment of cheap foreigners, including as TAs and RAs, would go a long way to making science a respectable profession again. And it would open the field to American women. When math and science professors can't make a decent living to support a family until after their prim…

Foreign science grads are what is driving the US as a leader in R&D. Look at the post-docs at labs in MIT, look at the US Nobel prize winners - the majority of them are immigrants

If companies are limited to domestic scientists then they'll quite happily move their R&D departments to countries with more relaxed immigration laws. Foreign universities will happily take the best researchers from around the world that are denied work in the US.

We're seeing this in the UK from the Brexit fallout. We were getting the brightest from around Europe working in our research labs. Now that we're going to make it more difficult for them they're probably going to go elsewhere.

Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr

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Post by tn13 »

WildUtah wrote: post #353
tn13 wrote: post #305

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> DHS to investigate worksites This is not a man in suite arriving at site via Uber asking polite questions. This is mostly a SWAT team storming through all doors and killing dogs if any an then taking away all your documents, interviewing all employees. In short that is end of business to you. Remember they will not come alone. They will bring sleuths from all other departments and you will be fined for not having a…

This is mostly a SWAT team storming through all doors and killing dogs if any an then taking away all your documents, interviewing all employees. In short that is end of business to you. Yes. That is exactly what I want employers thinking when the offer of cheap H1-Bs tempts them. Let's have a lot more on-site enforcement, please. And a few horror stories in the media would be a great benefit to Americans.

Even a kick-ass ex-Googler is not worth it. Heck, I will divorce my wife if she opens up my house for potential DHS raids.

I smell Schadenfreude here !

Jokes apart the boots on the ground regulatory approach increases compliance cost for everyone even for someone who has employed a potential Turing award winner foreigner.

Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr

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Post by tn13 »

yangchi wrote: post #346
tn13 wrote: post #261

How can an Indian or Chinese immigrate to USA under the current system? Legally there is simply no way besides marriage. These people who are actually very skilled have a very good history of assimilating in the mainstream and being successful in USA are discriminated against. As a student you have to lie that you will return to India, as a H1B you have to lie that you intend to return back. As H4 you have to sit qui…

the 130K cut only applies to H1 dependent employers: those company that has at least 15% H1 employees. So this pretty much means, if you are not in tech, most likely you won't be affected, as your employer most likely won't have 15% H1 employees. If you are in tech, and is in one of thoes legit tech companies, most likely you are also covered, as you will make 130K. Your employers may need to be a bit smart when it c…

> So you don't need to lie about stay or return.

Dual intent does not mean you can tell the visa officer you will request the employer to also sponsor green card. That will most certainly get your visa rejected.

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Post by serge2k »

deeth_starr wrote: post #347
gautambay wrote: post #325

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Thanks for this! I've been on multiple H1B visas, at both large companies and startups. I've also sponsored H1B visas as an employer. I would support this bill. The headline is a classic example of sensational journalism by the Times of India. The $130k salary requirement applies only to "dependent employers", defined as employers with over 15% of their workforce on H1Bs. This is clearly aimed at reducing H1B misuse…

And Samsung US. They pay H1B's absolute crap. This would be a good thing for them.

http://www.h1bdata.info/index.php?em=samsung&job=&city=&year...

Just a glance, doesn't seem that bad.

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Post by jessaustin »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #247
jessaustin wrote: post #131

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We've been drifting in this direction for decades now... if someone else wanted to take the wheel, why haven't they done so already? Sure, Putin wants to be the daddy, but he just doesn't have the industry to get there. Other than him? It's like the rest of the world believes the hype, even more than we do. Or maybe the hype is true?

China certainly is doing a great job at this and Trump's dismissal of the TPP means China just get a major leg up in its regional ambitions. The US still is an 800lbs gorilla, but it got there by making a lot of aggressive globalization, immigration, military, and investment moves. Now we have an administration that is against all those things and is run by a man who has a cult of personality behind him and can do 'n…

It's fun to pick on W, but it's pure fantasy that his anything has been our main problem. USA was a powerhouse from the late 1930s through the late 60s. Big important things got built and sold and used efficiently. Basically until the Baby Boomers entered the workforce. We've coasted ever since. The military spending you like so much has been more of a drag than a benefit, but perhaps only marginally since we export lots of weapons.

I'd like to believe that China will be the next nation to drag the rest of the world in the direction of progress, but they have so much standing in their way... USA might come to its senses before they get started...

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Post by frgtpsswrdlame »

pm90 wrote: post #245
kstrauser wrote: post #183

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Well, and given that the premise of H1-B visas is that "we literally couldn't find a local who could do this", I'm OK with that. Outside the Bay Area, you're probably not going to pay a frontend website programmer $130K on an H1-B. You're not supposed to, though! You can find plenty of that talent already in the country. If you need specific PhD-level STEM skills that you haven't been able to find locally, you're pro…

There are many loopholes with this logic, although I can see how the "free market will fixit!" philosophy is so common. The unavailability of required talent does not magically make it economically feasible to pay more for that talent. Especially the process of hiring new employees is an expensive and slow process. The vitality of American businesses depends critically on the availability of great talent at a reasona…

> The vitality of American businesses depends critically on the availability of great talent at a reasonable cost.

You could just as easily say that the vitality of American businesses depend on a well paid consumer class. Aka the people we're raising wages for.

> But what shouldn't be missed is that the H1B gives American companies access to a market of the best talent in the world, to allow them to hire that talent for themselves.

It still does unless I'm missing something?

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Post by wahsd »

ones_and_zeros wrote: post #25

Here is the summary straight from the horses mouth: https://lofgren.house.gov/uploadedfiles/high_skilled_bill_sx... A few points: - This does not raise the salary requirement to $130k/yr. This only applies to employers that do not want to do the extra paper work for "attestations regarding recruitment and non-displacement of U.S. workers" - It takes a "market based" allocation strategy which allows "cash bonuses and…

"...how this will be gamed". Maybe just spin off little small business divisions that happen to be in the very same office they were in before?

It should have been made an across the board, minimum $150k adjusted for inflation and a default requirement of $200k.

I realize the following is not going to be popular here , but people don't take into account how much these programs and illegal immigration are destroying the fabric of America because it allows politicians and corporations to ignore our problems in education and the economy. With every foreign H1B worker you are depriving a child that could and should have been educated to have filled that position. But instead, politicians and corporations ignored the issue and left poor kids to fester amid Democrat and big business policies (including Google and Microsoft) of welfare and immigration that undermines their community's growth and development. They have been trapped in a welfare bubble by Democrats and establishment GOP by selling them and America out to foreigners.

I know that's not what foreign YC readers want to hear, but these H1B visas and illegal immigration, and even excessive legal immigration are wreaking havoc in our society. We will never sole the education problem and never progress if we keep living on credit by importing other people to make it look like we are still successful. The detritus is starting to pile up no matter how much you slap new paint on it.

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Post by serge2k »

WildUtah wrote: post #355
winter_blue wrote: post #121

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I've commented on this before, at: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13433540 I'm copying the comment below: --- I'm on an H-1B, and the thing that infuriates me about the dialogue on this is that they are effectively trying to ban skilled immigration, and exclude people like me from coming. If you don't qualify for the family-based or refugee route, employment-based immigration is the only viable pathway. The amo…

If you don't qualify for the family-based or refugee route, employment-based immigration is the only viable pathway. The amount of hate I see piled on people trying to come here via the employment-based immigration seems insane to me. These Clearly the rate of family-based immigration is insane. And the lack of requirements for any kind of skills that would benefit America for relatives is costing America. Outside sp…

> America is already crowded.

America isn't crowded. America is mostly pretty empty. http://www2.census.gov/geo/pdfs/maps-data/maps/thematic/us_p...

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Post by serge2k »

Vampires123433 wrote: post #189
Retric wrote: post #134

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H-1B was not setup as a path for graduates to stay in the US. It was intended to allow highly skilled workers in and has been gamed since then to do all kinds of things. That said, I think a permissive immigration policy is in our intrests, but H-1B is a poor basis for such a policy.

This. F1 students are not American citizens and are not entitled to an immigration pathway through employment. They are on a student visa with the right to study at an American university.

> F1 students are not American citizens and are not entitled to an immigration pathway through employment

American citizens would be entitled to an immigration pathway?

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Post by MR4D »

gautambay wrote: post #325
ones_and_zeros wrote: post #25

Here is the summary straight from the horses mouth: https://lofgren.house.gov/uploadedfiles/high_skilled_bill_sx... A few points: - This does not raise the salary requirement to $130k/yr. This only applies to employers that do not want to do the extra paper work for "attestations regarding recruitment and non-displacement of U.S. workers" - It takes a "market based" allocation strategy which allows "cash bonuses and…

Thanks for this! I've been on multiple H1B visas, at both large companies and startups. I've also sponsored H1B visas as an employer. I would support this bill. The headline is a classic example of sensational journalism by the Times of India. The $130k salary requirement applies only to "dependent employers", defined as employers with over 15% of their workforce on H1Bs. This is clearly aimed at reducing H1B misuse…

As you said, this seems to penalize the Infosys-type companies, and seems to give favorable treatment to Silicon Valley firms. Given that's her district, this should not be surprising.

Regardless of the merits of this particular bill, at least we now have a conversation going with both political sides weighing in.

Here's hoping that they end up somewhere rational.

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