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Billionaire Is Reported Seized from Hong Kong Hotel and Taken into China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

why not?

Because Hong Kong is a separate state. They govern themselves.

Yes, but no. Hong Kong is officially the "Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China". It's an autonomous region, but it's part of the PRC, not a separate state.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crisis? Oh you mean the change his voters elected him into office for.

If the minority wants a Constitutionally limited government founded on equality replaced with a racist, religiously-biased authoritarianism, and manages to elect a government with that intent over the wishes of the majority, that doesn't make that governments steps to implement it's authoritarianism any less of a crisis.

> minority

The Republicans have a majority in the House, in the Senate, and they have the President. Is the American voting system so defective that a minority can achieve all that?

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Hong Kong is a separate state. They govern themselves.

Yes, but no. Hong Kong is officially the "Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China". It's an autonomous region, but it's part of the PRC, not a separate state.

I was just going from this quote from the article.

>who saw his abduction as a violation of the city state’s ability to run its own affairs, guaranteed by international treaty until 2047.

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I don't have a lot of sympathy for this man's problems. When you're making your billions from the corruption in the Chinese state, you run the risk of ending up on the wrong side of it. It's no different than any other organized crime. I will be very surprised if Canada does or says anything of significance, given that these people are politically unpopular and causing issues for British Columbia. China has all the p…

Ahh the old "he seems like a bad guy let's just hurry this up and skip all that messy due process stuff..."

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I don't have a lot of sympathy for this man's problems. When you're making your billions from the corruption in the Chinese state, you run the risk of ending up on the wrong side of it. It's no different than any other organized crime. I will be very surprised if Canada does or says anything of significance, given that these people are politically unpopular and causing issues for British Columbia. China has all the p…

Agreed, the issue is not so much that particular guy. The issue is the rule of law. No one in Hong Kong should be apprehended by Chinese police.

If Colombian police came to Miami to snatch some drug lord, you'd object presumably, no matter your sympathy for the criminal.

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https://www.hongkongfp.com/2017/02/01/chinese-billionaire-ab... No-one knows why he's there. The issue is more with Chinese agents operating on Hong Kong soil. They shouldn't be.

From your link: "She then said Xiao had contacted her and did not want to exaggerate the incident, according to the report." I'm not sure the incident could be exaggerated, given China's propensity to execute those convicted of corruption/embezzlement. They kidnapped a billionaire in another country with the likely intent to kill him sooner or later.

He might think he can buy his way out.

If the story gets too big, the Chinese government might be forced to make an example of him.

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I don't have a lot of sympathy for this man's problems. When you're making your billions from the corruption in the Chinese state, you run the risk of ending up on the wrong side of it. It's no different than any other organized crime. I will be very surprised if Canada does or says anything of significance, given that these people are politically unpopular and causing issues for British Columbia. China has all the p…

> Mr. Xiao’s fortunes rose after his graduation from the university in 1990, where he had been head of the official student organization and stayed loyal to the government during the pro-democracy demonstrations in 1989. This guy is Canadian and Antiguan in name only, he's Chinese-born and trying to use his resources to escape the government that created his wealth. Of all the human rights/border violations that Chin…

and by that you mean he's only LEGALLY Canadian and Antiguan...

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https://www.hongkongfp.com/2017/02/01/chinese-billionaire-ab... No-one knows why he's there. The issue is more with Chinese agents operating on Hong Kong soil. They shouldn't be.

Didn't they kidnap multiple booksellers already?

Yes, as mentioned in the article, Lee Bo and others, some in HK, one even in Thailand, apparently.

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This appears to be an aspect of the anti-corruption drive that has been holding billionaires and politically connected people high up in the Chinese government to account of the law, with Xiao Jianhua caught in financial fraud. The controversy here isn't that China took Xiao Jianhua in to face the law, but that he was taken from Hong Kong, where an agreement with Britain gives its former colony de facto autonomy with…

It's not clear to me whether the anti-corruption drive arises out of a genuine antipathy towards corruption or as a means for Xi Jinping to consolidate personal power. This is especially hard because it seems likely that every Chinese bigwig is at least somewhat corrupt, and high-level Chinese power politics is opaque enough that it's not clear if only Xi's rivals are being targeted.

I really don't know how to unpick that knot, but I don't think it's an angle that should be ignored.

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