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India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

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Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

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ex-H1B Indian here, now permanent resident of Canada. Left US for good, because I was being exploited by tech firms taking advantage of my H1B status.

This is a welcome change in my opinion. H1B workers were exploited by the Indian body shops as well as American employers. Raising the minimum wages will prune the bad apples and make H1B a visa system for the truly skilled candidates.

Quirks:

1. Find & shutdown fake employers running fake payrolls to match the increased wages. A search for *consulting.com will bring up many 'one-room' body shops in the US.

2. Stop the lottery process and award visa to truly skilled candidates who can provide proofs for their skills.

3. H1B LCA process should be changed and made similar to the PERM process, so that it will be a true test of the market.

4. Giving preference to Master degree holders is not a good idea, having a Masters degree from an American University is not an indicator for "highly skilled". Most of the students from India obtain these Masters degree just for the purpose of getting an OPT visa to improve their chances of getting selected in the lottery for H1B.

Many of these 'master' degree holders show fake experiences & do 'proxy' interviews to get into companies. These fake experiences are backed up by experience letters from bogus companies setup for this purpose from India. Many of them also provide 'bonus' services like proxy candidate interview services on Skype.

5. Stop 'future GC'. Many body shops in US do this by taking a huge deposit from the candidates for their 'future GC services'.

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then they get caught and fined I would imagine.

Not just fined, that would come under criminal law.

"Your honor clearly BigCorp offered me 150k, the H1B filing proves as much, but I have only received 40k."

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

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130k is indeed too high. To fight the most egregious abusers 100k would have been enough. Not everybody works in Silicon Valley IT, and even there the indian bodyshops offered only Many other industries rely on foreign talent, and many cannot pay 130k, but 100k would be fine IMHO.

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

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nobody is freaking out. Infosys and TCS are NOT India's representative companies anymore. They are the Flipkarts and the Olacabs and Paytms now. Or even Freshdesk, Zoho and Helpshift. I think most people welcome the move - we have lost many good potential employees who were headhunted by outsourcing companies by showing them the American dream and then chained to the yoke in some dreadful job. The services business i…

This will be nice for the product companies, but expect salaries to go down a bit all around - all the (few) good programmers at the consulting companies no longer have their primary incentive to stay there - if they can't earn dollars any more they will start looking to the higher base salaries perks at the product companies. More competition will probably drive rates down.

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

#25
As an Indian who spent a lot of years on H1-B visa, I welcome this move. Though while talking about this subject, one should bear in mind that "Indians on H1-B" are not a homogeneous group.

There are those, employed by the likes of AmaGooFaceSoft / Unicorns or graduating from mid-top tier universities, who will benefit by the proposed changes and who were indeed the "target audience" in mind when H1-B was linked to "getting high skilled immigrants in the US".

Then there are those who are transferred here in bulk by TCS/Wipro/Infosys/TechMahindra, who are paid the minimum H1-B wage possible, who jump from client to client across different states every now and then (true first hand accounts of my close friends) - these people are still mostly happy (cannot generalize though) to have the opportunity to work in the US for a few years and save, considering Indian salaries back home. While the individuals in this category might be getting a better deal, overall they become a pawn in "gaming of H1-B system" by Indian outsourcing companies.

Auctioning H1-B visas based on salary is a step in generally right direction. It may hurt low-paying industries relying on H1-B, but we can assess the impact on them and implement targeted fixes later if needed.

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just fined, that would come under criminal law.

"Your honor clearly BigCorp offered me 150k, the H1B filing proves as much, but I have only received 40k."

Fraud clearly is a criminal offense, which can be filed by a civil suit.

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

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This seems irrelevant to me. What's stopping them from doing that today?

The Justice Department, I suppose? http://www.ndtv.com/indians-abroad/two-indian-americans-arre...

Just a drop in the ocean.

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

#28

This is actually a good step. Eliminate cost arbitrage as motive for hiring foreign workers. Hire to fill genuine gaps in the labor pool. I don't see any downside and I'm an Indian in the US.

I have 2 years exp in medium sized product company (which has global market) in India. I have developed iOS apps, react app, web app in django (basically full stack). have experience in python, java, javascript and swift.

I applied for few good colleges (UCSD, UT Austin, Carnige Mellon, GATech, Arizona state) to specialize in Machine Learning in US.

Should I change my plans (I have to spend anywhere from 40-90 lakh RS to get MS in these colleges), is 130,000 $ too high for guy with my profile to work in a good product based or research oriented companies in US after graduating?

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

#29
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On the long term this will help Indians even more and various US businesses might be willing to outsource even more operations out of USA to India.

People have been saying this ever since late 90's. Is there any specific evidence that tighter visa rules result in more outsourcing?

Re: India's tech industry panics over U.S. plans to change high-skilled visas

#30

It's about time. Say what you will about Trump's other policies, but it's high time someone took an ax to the H-1B program. The level of abuse I've witnessed from it over the years is heinous; foreign workers essentially working as indentured servants, with the only beneficiaries being corporations using their cheap labor and the foreign consultancy firms that farm them out. I'll be interested to see what changes get…

>Say what you will about Trump's other policies, but it's high time someone took an ax to the H-1B program.

He's just getting started. I'm sure we'll see some doozies; hopefully nothing tragic. But let's not pretend that everything Trump does or will do is stupid or evil, and give him credit when appropriate.

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