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Re: Welcome, ACLU

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Post by artmageddon »

jookoolok wrote: post #180
muninn_ wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You don't even have to go that far; half the people on these boards step over a homeless person to get to work every morning. This is a spot on comment.

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There are plenty of people who are trying to become American, as well. My wife came here from Iran to study at an American University, and her conditional green card is set to expire next year. We want her to get her citizenship as fast as possible. Now it seems that USCIS has put all that on pause though, so we're sweating bullets over whether they'll actually let us file the petition to have the conditional aspect removed in a year's time. If they don't, we're fucked and all of the work and money(read: thousands of dollars) we put into putting her through the system properly will have been all for nothing. FYI I'm an American citizen.

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Post by ihsw »

ucha wrote: post #89
muninn_ wrote: post #41

Although I think the American Civil Liberties Union is incredibly valuable and I'm glad they have a lot more money now to fight for the American people, I'm questioning all of this. Where was the outpouring of funding when black people were being gunned down by cops from West Coast organizations? Where has YCombinator been as our own impoverished African-Americans are getting slaughtered in the streets of Chicago? Wh…

I am disappointed by these kind of comments. Being contrarian just for the sake of it doesn't get us anywhere. We cannot anytime someone does something good ask why something we consider better wasn't previously done.

There's plenty of evidence pointing towards liberal opposition to Trump's policies being purely contrarian despite their merit. Will you speak up then? Will you point out the hypocrisy and double-standards?

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Post by _23sd »

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #166

I used to be an ACLU supporter, but stopped after their main objectives switched to more of what I describe as matters of feelings , E.g., whether a man who identifies as a women can use a women's bathroom in Georgia, or whether the term man or women can ever be used at all. In my opinion most the ACLU LGBT agenda has been a useless war on words , yet it's taking on a greater and greater importance in the organizatio…

Would it be your "feelings" telling you that the ACLU, by standing up for transgender rights, has pushed aside the fight for the personal liberties that "normal" people get to exercise? Because most of the cases my local ACLU is taking on are the classic standing up to police and ensuring that poor kids get an equal education.

https://www.aclusocal.org/en/cases

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Post by l8again »

gthtjtkt wrote: post #181

So when we were dropping bombs on them it wasn't worth making an official statement, but now that they get held up at the border for a few hours it's suddenly worth talking about? I can't think of a case where the term "Virtue Signaling" is more apt.

Combined with the blanket ban that includes even GC holders, and a clause that due preference is given to one religion over another, along with the way its being implemented (grandmothers detained for 13 - 24 hours on valid visas) with the dark context of the candidate's campaign promise and his administration admission that they "made it legal", yes it is a Muslim ban.

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Post by samuelbrin »

Thank you YC. Thank you all so much. On this particular issue, I do not think it is worth engaging with people about its merit or timing. This is a critical moment in history and you are doing something. The velocity of decision-making in the oval office means we literally don't have time to sit down with the cynics right now.

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Post by pcl »

Technical issue with the Wufoo form [0]: on iOS Chrome, the input fields somehow end up triggering autofill with first name / last name. The second field is for email address, not last name, however.

Looking at the source, the best I can come up with is that the email field's 'id' attribute is set to 'title2', and maybe that's used elsewhere on the internet in a context where I've entered a last name?

Also, when I hit 'back' and corrected the name, the submit button became a (clickable) no-op. Reloading the form and re-submitting worked fine.

[0] https://ycombinatorevents.wufoo.com/forms/q42uszl19i1mu6/

Re: Welcome, ACLU

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Post by Daishiman »

striking wrote: post #129
chickenfries wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think Indonesia doesn't have problems with terrorism? (Edit: also, Pakistan?). The idea that this is a reasonable counterterrorism measure by any means is a farce that doesn't stand up to the lightest of scrutiny. It's a test of executive power, perhaps for something more sinister [1]. [1] https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e...

It's a list inherited from the Obama administration. The best time to argue about whether this list stands up to scrutiny or not was years ago. Edit: I'm not making comments about Trump's actions (specifically, I'm not defending what he did). As for whether this particular list stands up to scrutiny, that question should have been asked a long time ago.

Trump's use of this measure, unlike his predecessor, signals an intent that wasn't there in the prior administration. That's why people are concerned.

Re: Welcome, ACLU

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Post by smacktoward »

muninn_ wrote: post #41

Although I think the American Civil Liberties Union is incredibly valuable and I'm glad they have a lot more money now to fight for the American people, I'm questioning all of this. Where was the outpouring of funding when black people were being gunned down by cops from West Coast organizations? Where has YCombinator been as our own impoverished African-Americans are getting slaughtered in the streets of Chicago? Wh…

Saving democracy isn't Pitchfork; nobody should be looking down on people just because they liked this band before it was cool. Just welcome them to the fan club -- and do what you can to make sure they keep their membership current after this rush of buzz wears off.

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Post by jMyles »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #133
muninn_ wrote: post #41

Although I think the American Civil Liberties Union is incredibly valuable and I'm glad they have a lot more money now to fight for the American people, I'm questioning all of this. Where was the outpouring of funding when black people were being gunned down by cops from West Coast organizations? Where has YCombinator been as our own impoverished African-Americans are getting slaughtered in the streets of Chicago? Wh…

The ACLU has been fighting the good fight for impoverished black people as well. They happen to be in the spotlight at the moment due to the Trump immigration executive order, but it's not as though 100% of the funds raised by YC will go towards fighting the immigration ban. It will support their countless other ongoing legal battles as well. They are an unqualified, categorically "good" organization that is deservin…

> They are an unqualified, categorically "good" organization

The ACLU is wonderful, no doubt about that. But I think some people do put an asterisk next to the group because of their (obviously somewhat strange) categorization of the protections of the 2nd amendment as outside the scope of American civil liberties.

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