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New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr

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Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr

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Whoever is working on the bill is disconnected from reality and the damage it is doing long term here. Why's everyone so focused on IT? Everyone can learn how to code, it's not a real science.. Oh it's hacker news :) Now walk into any major university science department. See who the newly minted PhD students are in biology, chemistry, physics, math ... Most are foreigners. This bill will send them home after they gra…

You are exactly right. Single minimum wage doesn't make any sense considering there is such a wide gap between IT and everything else. However keeping minimum wage to the 1989 level hurts H1B IT workers more because many of them literally end up getting just that even if they qualify for far more. I guess the issue is not solvable easily because to create job titles and assign it minimum wage number that is, say, at…

Your point stands, I just wanted to note that the wage level was established in 1998, not 1989. There is a typo in this article, possibly misread from the bill summary https://lofgren.house.gov/uploadedfiles/high_skilled_bill_sx...

Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr

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A lot of larger companies will switch you to an H1-B at some point since they're trying to put you on a Green Card track (bc of long-run costs? not sure). While you technically can apply for a green card on TN status, since TN is intended for temporary workers, it's frowned upon by DHS and immigration departments at companies know that. Source: I'm a two-time Canadian > US TN-to-H1B and eventually bailed out of the p…

TN can be extended indefinitely, so if you're being pressured to change to a H1-B you might want to ask why until you get a direct and specific answer.

So you can get a green card and thus aren't tied to the company?

Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr

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Speaking as a New Yorker, $130k is not "barely a living wage", unless you have a really distorted definition of "living." You do not need to commute 2h for reasonable housing -- I lived in Brooklyn (which, for me, was a very comfortable 25m door-to-door commute), and was very happy there.

$130K is not barely livable.

Keep in mind that $130k is also total comp. including bonuses that you are elegible for, but might not actually get, and even if you do, might not be in a form actually worth the face value.

Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr

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Yup. The fact that compensation is included, is useless. Companies give you unvested shares worth tonnes that take > 4 years to fully vest. The attrition rates are so high, the sweat shops can get away with it.

Sometimes I wish we could just fine Tata for going against the spirit of the h1b law. If its a large enough fine they might stop their shenanigans.

You dont need to fine Tata, you need to make it not a lottery, reduce restrictions and then let anyone who wants to do it do it.

Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr

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> the value of private company stock can be hard to determine The IRS uses 409A valuation. These valuations have been high enough to cause huge AMT burden to engineers. Sam Altman etc have written about it; Zoe Lofgren herself has been trying for years to fix it. Why do you think it is a joke?

It is awful when you get hit by this. Modern tax law absolutely wrecks startup founders who are not already rich. It's quite stunning.

It's generally not founders who get screwed by AMT related consequences. Founders should have 83-b'd shares, not vesting options.

Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr

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Well, do you want the price to reflect the wage of an average entry-level employee, or that of a talented one? I'm not sure the US should have as a goal keeping every foreign grad here.

That sentiment - we don't need to keep every foreign grad - is basically stack ranking applied by the government instead of big business. Put another way, the government is basically forcing companies to adopt stack ranking for certain classes of employees.

I'm not sure that the comparison to stack ranking is apt, I am not saying we only want x% of grads, but I think it is reasonable to say that the US wants to bring in people in high demand as evidenced by their salary.

Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr

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Whoever is working on the bill is disconnected from reality and the damage it is doing long term here. Why's everyone so focused on IT? Everyone can learn how to code, it's not a real science.. Oh it's hacker news :) Now walk into any major university science department. See who the newly minted PhD students are in biology, chemistry, physics, math ... Most are foreigners. This bill will send them home after they gra…

You are exactly right. Single minimum wage doesn't make any sense considering there is such a wide gap between IT and everything else. However keeping minimum wage to the 1989 level hurts H1B IT workers more because many of them literally end up getting just that even if they qualify for far more. I guess the issue is not solvable easily because to create job titles and assign it minimum wage number that is, say, at…

If the demand for other types of workers isn't high enough to warrant that level of pay, why do they need to bring in foreign workers?

Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr

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Whoever is working on the bill is disconnected from reality and the damage it is doing long term here. Why's everyone so focused on IT? Everyone can learn how to code, it's not a real science.. Oh it's hacker news :) Now walk into any major university science department. See who the newly minted PhD students are in biology, chemistry, physics, math ... Most are foreigners. This bill will send them home after they gra…

> Why's everyone so focused on IT? Everyone can learn how to code, it's not a real science. I think that's exactly why people are focusing on IT. The H-1B program is meant to allow companies to hire foreigners with rare skills that are hard to find domestically. In reality it's abused to import cheap labor and undercut average American workers doing common work like building applications or administering systems. The…

The abuse of h1b program by IT firms is the issue that has to be separated out and resolved on its own.

There is no reason why we should send a freshly graduated physics scientist back to Uganda or whatever because he can't find an employer willing to pay him/her some abstract 130k salary straight out of school (which is A LOT OF MONEY).

Again, when I hire - I do it strictly based on skills and experience. If I have to do a bit more paper work to get this talented guy work for us I'll do it - but there is a limit. And at 130k limit a lot of these brains will flow back overseas. It would be a huge mistake for USA to get rid of willing to work just talent like that.

Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr

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This is a blatant hypocrisy on American side. They will sue the shit out of Indian Solar, Pharma, Angri industries if it has competitive prices but won't allow india/emerging nations to do the same in their market. Emerging nations are bullied by developed nations for a long time and the saga goes on. I get that H1b visa was used to provide cheap services but globalization works both way. Powerful nations can't just…

I don't understand your claim of hypocrisy. What is America saying is bad, but also doing?

And what suing are you talking about?

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