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Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by ErikVandeWater »

ajamesm wrote: post #468
kelnos wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The taxi drivers' strike was in poor taste anyway. "Ok, so people are going to have trouble with airport transportation because of this immigration ban, so let's make it even harder by taking away from transportation options." They not only could have made it harder for those who did eventually manage to clear CBP to get home, but they also made it harder for protesters to get to and from the airport. If I were in ch…

> The taxi drivers' strike was in poor taste anyway. Most taxi drivers are immigrants and many are refugees, whose families are directly affected by this ban; I'm sure your own personal notion of good taste was far from their minds.

Source on "Most taxi drivers are immigrants and many are refugees, whose families are directly affected by this ban"?

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by mrgoldenbrown »

StevePerkins wrote: post #420
KirinDave wrote: post #87

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What matters is who lives in what swing state counties now. That's basically what the US voting system has been designed to measure. Quite surprising when you start to do the math.

What matters is TURNOUT. Always has. Trump received almost the exact same number of popular votes as Romney in '12, and McCain in '08. The difference is that 10 million Obama voters stayed home for Hillary: http://i.imgur.com/AT0kqVz.jpg Whether due to disappointment that Bernie Sanders wasn't nominated, or belief that voting wasn't important since Trump wasn't projected to win, or "OMG Russian hacker!!" conspiracy t…

You left out "targeted voter suppression" in your list of reasons democrats didn't turn out. With North Carolina being a particularly egregious and well documented example. >“Before enacting that law, the legislature requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices,” Motz wrote. “Upon receipt of the race data, the General Assembly enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-c...

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by cgriswald »

cderwin wrote: post #315
noir_lord wrote: post #287

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We seem to have largely moved passed the concept of nuance, knee jerk reactions and virtual signalling in place of reasoned responses. Its dangerous when all sides don't consider the others viewpoints at all.

It's lonely to consider the other side these days. Dare to consider Trump's side? You're a fascist. Dare to consider the progressive side? You're a communist. It's no wonder nobody does it anymore.

You think that's lonely? Try not choosing a side. I'm both a fascist and a dirty commie because I choose focusing on actions, policies, and outcomes over labels and ideologies. And you can't even talk about actions, policies, or outcomes, because if you get it 'wrong' (regardless of whether you're actually wrong) out come the labels and closed go the ears.

Both sides are so busy trying to force their ideologies on all Americans through a tyranny of the majority that they are simply incapable of reason.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by alphonsegaston »

gregshap wrote: post #486
alphonsegaston wrote: post #29

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Uber broke the strike by breaking the strike. This absurd focus on whether surge pricing was a multiplier or disincentive is a complete distraction. The taxi drivers reached out and asked Uber for solidarity. They dispatched drivers to break the strike. They made their bed in the court of public opinion, now they can lie in it.

It's nice when company owners support labor solidarity, but I think it's silly to say that uber scabbed or broke the strike. Uber is a multi hundred billion dollar capitalist entity, with a stated goal of automating away all of the drivers. Uber drivers broke the strike. Lyft drivers also broke the strike. It's one thing to expect labor solidarity from workers, but I don't see how it's rational to expect labor solida…

Scabbing is breaking the strike. Uber dispatched drivers to break the strike. I'll say it again, it's not complicated.

Scabs have historically operated under the cover of a private entity. This was the express function of the Pinkertons, for example. You can't rewrite the history of American labor and what its accomplished with neoliberal circumlocutions. Just because corporations became clever enough to describe scabs as "independent contractors" operating under "complex algorithms" and "surge pricing," doesn't mean we have to believe them.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by dang »

CodeSheikh wrote: post #487

Edit 1: Deleting unnecessary comment.

No, we had a brief experiment without politics on HN, then reverted to the rule since forever, which is that most politics are off-topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

It fluctuates. HN isn't immune to the how politicized the outside world is right now. At the same time, it's our job to make sure politics doesn't dominate the site.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by FeepingCreature »

Chyzwar wrote: post #402
_xhok wrote: post #337

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If anything, I think people assign too much weight to "sending a message" or "taking a stance." Thiel backed both Trump and Lyft! Down with Lyft! Uber wouldn't go along with some strike! Disavow! YC works with a Trump supporter! Fire him! Apparently the latest outrage on Twitter is over Elon Musk's condemnation of Trump's order not being tough enough. They're mad at him for trying to convince Trump to modify his prop…

There is real risk when business mingle with politics. Both Musk and Uber should consider this before working with Trump. Thiel will be forever marked as Trump supporter and he saw it coming. As for your suggestion to work with bounds of reality it should apply to Trump. If he want to change immigration policy he can work with Congress to pass laws and regulations. His flashy actions are just for his silly supporters…

How does XKCD put it?

> Fuck. That. Shit.

https://xkcd.com/137/

What, you think it was only true when it was applied to people you like?

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by FeepingCreature »

craigching wrote: post #428
Zach_the_Lizard wrote: post #399

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And Uber is spending $3 million on legal services for their drivers.

I don't want to take sides, but how is spending $3 million to compensate their own drivers vs. $1 million going to the ACLU which benefits people other than Lyft's "employees" in any way equal?

Isn't what Uber has done better? At least for Uber drivers. They're standing by the people they're benefiting from, instead of an undirected donation.

An analogy: a company has an oil spill, so they donate to Greenpeace.

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Post by FeepingCreature »

Tritrin wrote: post #417
kelnos wrote: post #397

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In this case, my stance is they're harming the people they're intending to support/help.

I'm sort of baffled by your reasoning. You believe that they are "harming" the people by protesting with them? I mean honestly, you think that one hour (not several hours as you posted) of protesting to show solidarity with the people being detained. One hour of looking the people you are trying to help in the eye and saying "We're with you! You are not alone." is somehow "harming" the people they're trying to help?…

I think the choice of actions matters too. If people aren't going to think seriously about the consequences of their actions instead of just going along for fear of being branded strikebreakers, I'd rather they limited themselves to words. At least that way they won't cause that much damage.

No opinion on the specific case, I just find your proposal overbroad.

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Post by FeepingCreature »

ajamesm wrote: post #470
cderwin wrote: post #307

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To be clear, Uber did not break the strike. Uber drivers, who apparently did not feel compelled to take part in the strike, broke it. Strikes are not composed of companies, they are composed of workers. Would you expect Uber to have refused to let its drivers operate (against their will) during the taxi strike? That's absurd on its face.

I would expect Uber to ensure drivers are organized and informed about strikes and empowered to join them, if they were truly a neutral ride-sharing platform. Really, they're just a business that employs people whom they don't want to classify as employees, and would sooner drown their riders in a lake than see them organize.

> I would expect Uber to ensure drivers are organized and informed about strikes

That seems absurd. Uber is not a union. There is a dangerous conflict of incentive in relying on the people harmed by a strike to be organizing them.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by david38 »

alphonsegaston wrote: post #494
gregshap wrote: post #486

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's nice when company owners support labor solidarity, but I think it's silly to say that uber scabbed or broke the strike. Uber is a multi hundred billion dollar capitalist entity, with a stated goal of automating away all of the drivers. Uber drivers broke the strike. Lyft drivers also broke the strike. It's one thing to expect labor solidarity from workers, but I don't see how it's rational to expect labor solida…

Scabbing is breaking the strike. Uber dispatched drivers to break the strike. I'll say it again, it's not complicated. Scabs have historically operated under the cover of a private entity. This was the express function of the Pinkertons, for example. You can't rewrite the history of American labor and what its accomplished with neoliberal circumlocutions. Just because corporations became clever enough to describe sca…

Uber dispatched nobody. The drivers dispatched themselves. You're saying it was Uber's responsibility to side with the strikers (who are their competition) against the wishes of their own drivers? Seriously?

If Uber had forced a strike on its drivers (without a vote no less) people would have been pissed that they were left stranded.

If enough Uber drivers wanted to strike, they would have. They didn't. Maybe they are a different demograph with different concerns. Who knows.

You know the last time Uber had surge pricing during a huge surge in demand in Australia they got a lot of shit. They said they wouldn't do it again. They kept their word.

And why must Uber be on the side of the strikers or face punishment? What about all the people hailing cabs, Ubers, or Lyfts? They are exempt from morality? Lyft picked up people too. The fact that Uber chose not to price gouge is not a support of the ban.

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