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Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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I don't disagree with your point, whatsoever, but I did see another perspective that I might not have otherwise considered while working with a larger company recently. During the public debates regarding marriage equality, the company showed a very public display of support for marriage equality. They updated their branding and I assume their marketing as well to show that support. From the inside, it was clear that…

That's an interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing. Another perspective is that Christian and Muslim employees of those companies were told that the management's official policy is that certain aspects of their religious beliefs are wrong. Can you imagine those employees weighing speaking up for themselves vs. their need to keep their jobs? I've seen employees in that situation, and their morale was definitely not…

Given that their opinion was the law of the land until recently, yeah. I can imagine some of them are mad that they've lost the ability to project their beliefs onto others.

I was raised a militant protestant. I don't use that term lightly; I was told I was "God's soldier" daily. I know exactly the depth of conviction people have about controlling others.

Companies that accept mixed gender marriages were complying with the law of the land at the time, but were also actually making the neutral statement. "I don't know who is right or which God wants what, but we'll try and support our employees with health care for them and their family because that's how they are free to do good work."

A very small but vocal segment of Christian society and Muslim society wants to forbid that. Not because they have any real standing to, but because they want their specific sect of their religion to be dominant. They connect the success of their sect in affecting policy with the success of their beliefs.

In practice we see it all over the place from many actors. And why I appreciate how frustrating it is to have a belief system somewhat at odds with the world, ultimately these people are not damaged in any material OR spiritual way by the presence of dissent or secularism. They still get access to financial and social benefits that other minority cultures almost never get (e.g., complete immunity to taxation, special consideration in law's for education, a huge amount of political consideration). That they're dissatisfied is disturbing, because it means they've lost perspective on how much better off they are than most groups in America.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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I don't disagree with your point, whatsoever, but I did see another perspective that I might not have otherwise considered while working with a larger company recently. During the public debates regarding marriage equality, the company showed a very public display of support for marriage equality. They updated their branding and I assume their marketing as well to show that support. From the inside, it was clear that…

That's an interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing. Another perspective is that Christian and Muslim employees of those companies were told that the management's official policy is that certain aspects of their religious beliefs are wrong. Can you imagine those employees weighing speaking up for themselves vs. their need to keep their jobs? I've seen employees in that situation, and their morale was definitely not…

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Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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meh.. this will pass like grubhub ceo email episode. outrage ADD is a thing.

In 2009 Obama govt profiled Indian immigrants at NY airports. indians were massively abused and hundreds of them were deported from the airport without proper procedure. I was called a dog by an 'immigration officer'. " we will kick you out like dogs if this doesn't verify" - first sentence when i walked up to him and handed him my passport.

Now all of a sudden everyone cares about immigrants.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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But you don't break the strike by removing surge pricing and increasing everyone's pick-up time, you break it by keeping surge pricing, so that the drivers chasing the surge swarm the location in order to boost their earnings.

However the typical activist doesn't get this level of nuance. They apparently employ the reasoning of a 6 year old: case in point (as mentioned earlier,) Lyft was partially funded by Peter Thiel.

How does it feel, knowing people with the mentality of 6 year olds are doing more to affect change than you are?

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Dan Primack summarised this well; Uber failed on messaging: "Uber has done a lot of questionable things over the years, but its actions this past weekend vis-a-vis Trump's immigration ban weren't among them. An actual timeline from Saturday, which may differ from what you saw on social media: • 4:20pm ET: CEO Travis Kalanick sent email to employees. It stopped short of explicitly opposing the ban, but did say: (1) Th…

Interesting to see envy at play. Uber is a great company with dedicated staff who go out of their way to make our lives easier with their incredible products.

I mean, isn't Uber just an app after all. The drivers using uber during the strike are the ones who decided that instead of joining the strike, it would be more beneficial to them if they went about their business as usual.

This could have been because:

1. They needed the money they were getting from driving on Uber for their daily bread.

Or

2. They were Trump supporters as is their right. Are we saying their lives should stop for a cause they do not even support? That they don't have a right to hold contrary opinions?

This brings me to my last point. Uber is a business and they cannot be forced to pick sides because their customers all hold opposing poltical views. If they did this, then nothing would get done because we'd have Republican businesses and Democratic businesses.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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It absolutely is. This doesn't make scabbing any less vile, however. All it has guaranteed in this instance is that a bunch of hapless Uber drivers are going to be feeling the backlash. Friends don't let friends scab.

>This doesn't make scabbing any less vile This is a political opinion, and the context definitely matters. This wasn't a strike for higher wages, this was a strike to back a political stance. How would you feel if the cabbies went on strike because we allow Muslims to vote? Would you so vehemently blast people that want transportation to continue functioning in the interim in that case as well?

Hoffa is directly collaborating with Trump. You can see for yourself how the left is reacting to union organizers pulling for right-wingers.

(In this case, they dislike Hoffa's collaboration, but nobody started calling for the dissolution of unions.)

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Dan Primack summarised this well; Uber failed on messaging: "Uber has done a lot of questionable things over the years, but its actions this past weekend vis-a-vis Trump's immigration ban weren't among them. An actual timeline from Saturday, which may differ from what you saw on social media: • 4:20pm ET: CEO Travis Kalanick sent email to employees. It stopped short of explicitly opposing the ban, but did say: (1) Th…

Uber broke the strike by breaking the strike. This absurd focus on whether surge pricing was a multiplier or disincentive is a complete distraction. The taxi drivers reached out and asked Uber for solidarity. They dispatched drivers to break the strike. They made their bed in the court of public opinion, now they can lie in it.

I don't understand why Uber shouldn't have broken the strike. Their competitors decided to shoot themselves in the foot thinking it will help the refugees, and Uber swept in and took advantage (arguably). Coupled with the fact that it uses Saudi money to subsidize American drivers, who surely include refugees among them, I don't see why everyone has a grudge against Uber.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Dan Primack summarised this well; Uber failed on messaging: "Uber has done a lot of questionable things over the years, but its actions this past weekend vis-a-vis Trump's immigration ban weren't among them. An actual timeline from Saturday, which may differ from what you saw on social media: • 4:20pm ET: CEO Travis Kalanick sent email to employees. It stopped short of explicitly opposing the ban, but did say: (1) Th…

So when was surge pricing actually shut off? Also I was more pissed about Uber's shit PR stunt that day than what happened at JFK.

Uber has pulled out of many cities rather than comply with their regulations(which cabs already had to follow) and left tens of thousands of drivers without jobs, sometimes overnight. The notion that they care about anyone stuck overseas is a joke.

Messaging indeed... Uber has sent a message that they give no fucks about their drivers a long time ago. This isn't the first or even the hundredth time Uber has done something terrible.

Let the tide of public opinion sink this shitty soulless company before were stuck with another Comcast for 20 years

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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It's an intellectually honest way to point out inconsistency. The hypocrisy is asymmetric from my pov. I know people who were horrified Obama got elected and some indulged in variations of the 'he's Hitler' BS, but the current reaction by the extreme neo-left is a magnitude of order worse. There's plenty (a majority I bet) of Dems that are not making that mistake, but the echo chamber prevents them from speaking unle…

Exactly the reason I don't have a more accepting attitude when it comes to left wing positions I might actually agree with. My political disagreements are what they are but the idea of providing any validation to what amounts to Bolshevik-style tactics keeps me on the sidelines. As an example: I am a free market libertarian who agrees with marriage equality, but the means by which 'activists' attempt to engage issues…

You know, you can participate in these protests and help steer their direction. It's not like planning committees get together and grep HN comments; you gotta show up.

If you're "turned off" by how activism is going, Free Market Libertarian, you should put your money where your mouth is and present a more workable alternative.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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> almost nobody interviewed for occupy Wallstreet could even agree on what the goal of the group was. Protests are rarely about setting policy. They're about voicing their disagreement. Even if people at Occupy Wallstreet (and many other protests) can't agree on the solution, they do tend to agree on the problem.

That may or may not be the case now, but it certainly isn't true historically. There's a reason why "What do we want? Something! When do we want it? Now!" is a protest cliche. Grassroots activism used to be better organised. Trade unions and other working-class organisations provided structure and institutional expertise. Discontent could be directed as part of a broader strategic campaign. The atomization of society…

Well that and the systematic destruction of unions in the US that started in earnest under Reagan.
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