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Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by jps359 »

alphonsegaston wrote: post #29
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #3

Dan Primack summarised this well; Uber failed on messaging: "Uber has done a lot of questionable things over the years, but its actions this past weekend vis-a-vis Trump's immigration ban weren't among them. An actual timeline from Saturday, which may differ from what you saw on social media: • 4:20pm ET: CEO Travis Kalanick sent email to employees. It stopped short of explicitly opposing the ban, but did say: (1) Th…

Uber broke the strike by breaking the strike. This absurd focus on whether surge pricing was a multiplier or disincentive is a complete distraction. The taxi drivers reached out and asked Uber for solidarity. They dispatched drivers to break the strike. They made their bed in the court of public opinion, now they can lie in it.

Does Uber have the capability on their platform to disable the service in a specified region (JFK)?

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by dvdhnt »

enraged_camel wrote: post #445
dvdhnt wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, no they cannot. It has been proven time and time again that most companies will behave only in ways that benefit its stakeholders. Sometimes, that happens to align with public or moral good. However, our only expectation should be that companies make decisions and take actions within the parameters prescribed by regulators. Anything they do beyond that is either a violation, and should be punished, or a sec…

>>Actually, no they cannot. It has been proven time and time again that most companies will behave only in ways that benefit its stakeholders. I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that the current situation is benefiting Uber's shareholders. The point being that by breaking the strike, Uber made a terrible business decision. They massively underestimated the backlash they would get. Now they have a (yet another)…

That's fair, and I certainly wasn't trying to analyze the business implications of Uber's maneuvering, simply that any decision made is 'usually' motivated by how it benefits a company's stakeholders.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by 1_2__3 »

kelnos wrote: post #272
rosser wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the pricing is the extent of people's concerns, or even the majority. I'm not a fan of Kalanick, personally, but I was prepared to have been wrong about him when I saw his Facebook post about taking care of the drivers who were stranded by this idiocy. Then, I saw they were taking fares to JFK during the taxi strike — effectively breaking it. To my eyes, and those of many others, that is an ugly repudia…

What if Uber (and Lyft; by your definition they broke the strike too) didn't agree with the reason for the strike, or found it counterproductive? It's well within their rights to do so (and I'd agree with them). Just because your "transportation brethren" decide to take some action, it doesn't mean you should play lemming and take the same action in solidarity, especially if you think that action is in poor taste, or…

You clearly and literally do not seem to understand how strikes work.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by KirinDave »

rdtsc wrote: post #110
KirinDave wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is getting ridiculous. We and our allies have bombed the crap out of those countries. Destabilized, them turned them into failed states. (Iran is probably the only sane one who arguably has a functioning government). We bombed hospitals, civilians, funded ISIS. Obama alone, the Nobel Peace Prize recipient just last year managed to drop over 26k bombs but but there is a stupid travel ban and the apps on my phon…

> I'm really confused by this. Are you mad because the political climate is encouraging people to wake up and go, I am mad that an app on my phone is now sending me emails about what I think is a fake outrage and jumping on a bandwagon. > Are you mad because the political climate is encouraging people to wake up and go, People should wake up. And one can argue, a good thing about Trump is perhaps we'll see a start of…

> I am mad that an app on my phone is now sending me emails about what I think is a fake outrage and jumping on a bandwagon.

I assure you a lot of the outrage is real, but yeah. Lyft was and is just as bad as Uber.

It's so silly that we talk about banning "politics" or that such and such is "too political" because we're at a point where there is no escape from radical restructuring. People are reacting to the new impositions and regulations the government is throwing at them.

Companies are too. Some are doing it for better reasons than others. But everyone wins and losses in politics, so the implication that "they are doing this because it is beneficial to them" rings pretty hollow to me.

If this were just anger over the silliness of promoting Thiel-backex Lyft as a counterpoint to Trumpism I'd agree. But it's not. You're mad that these companies share their policies and goals.

I don't understand that at all. You've spent more time dwelling on the imposition than it takes to delete and ignore the email.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by KirinDave »

rdtsc wrote: post #110
KirinDave wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is getting ridiculous. We and our allies have bombed the crap out of those countries. Destabilized, them turned them into failed states. (Iran is probably the only sane one who arguably has a functioning government). We bombed hospitals, civilians, funded ISIS. Obama alone, the Nobel Peace Prize recipient just last year managed to drop over 26k bombs but but there is a stupid travel ban and the apps on my phon…

> I'm really confused by this. Are you mad because the political climate is encouraging people to wake up and go, I am mad that an app on my phone is now sending me emails about what I think is a fake outrage and jumping on a bandwagon. > Are you mad because the political climate is encouraging people to wake up and go, People should wake up. And one can argue, a good thing about Trump is perhaps we'll see a start of…

> I am mad that an app on my phone is now sending me emails about what I think is a fake outrage and jumping on a bandwagon.

I assure you a lot of the outrage is real, but yeah. Lyft was and is just as bad as Uber.

It's so silly that we talk about banning "politics" or that such and such is "too political" because we're at a point where there is no escape from radical restructuring. People are reacting to the new impositions and regulations the government is throwing at them.

Companies are too. Some are doing it for better reasons than others. But everyone wins and losses in politics, so the implication that "they are doing this because it is beneficial to them" rings pretty hollow to me.

If this were just anger over the silliness of promoting Thiel-backex Lyft as a counterpoint to Trumpism I'd agree. But it's not. You're mad that these companies share their policies and goals.

I don't understand that at all. You've spent more time dwelling on the imposition than it takes to delete and ignore the email.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by jellicle »

rubber_duck wrote: post #333
Iv wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is like if Coca Cola workers went on strike, and problem blamed Pespi Co of breaking strike by not sending their workers home?? Well, yes, that's how a general strike works. You expect every worker in the field to follow. This is not a strike to get better conditions within one company, this is a strike toward a governmental action.

>Well, yes, that's how a general strike works. You mean how it doesn't work. Cartels eventually fall apart when there's no way of enforcing the rules (no way to force someone to strike) because the incentives to cheat (drive during strike) are high.

Well, at least in the U.S., general strikes worked great and were so effective for labor that they were banned by law, and remain illegal today.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by derptron »

KirinDave wrote: post #464
rdtsc wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm really confused by this. Are you mad because the political climate is encouraging people to wake up and go, I am mad that an app on my phone is now sending me emails about what I think is a fake outrage and jumping on a bandwagon. > Are you mad because the political climate is encouraging people to wake up and go, People should wake up. And one can argue, a good thing about Trump is perhaps we'll see a start of…

> I am mad that an app on my phone is now sending me emails about what I think is a fake outrage and jumping on a bandwagon. I assure you a lot of the outrage is real, but yeah. Lyft was and is just as bad as Uber. It's so silly that we talk about banning "politics" or that such and such is "too political" because we're at a point where there is no escape from radical restructuring. People are reacting to the new imp…

>I assure you a lot of the outrage is real, but yeah. Lyft was and is just as bad as Uber.

Lyft is a business, not a person. If you think their motives have anything but dollar signs behind them, well, I wish I could live in your reality.

The companies that are out there virtue signalling are doing it to drum up business, nothing more. It's you an all the other susceptible outraged citizens that allow it to work so well.

Personally, I don't pick which businesses I give my money to based on emotions.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by ajamesm »

kelnos wrote: post #257
alphonsegaston wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber broke the strike by breaking the strike. This absurd focus on whether surge pricing was a multiplier or disincentive is a complete distraction. The taxi drivers reached out and asked Uber for solidarity. They dispatched drivers to break the strike. They made their bed in the court of public opinion, now they can lie in it.

The taxi drivers' strike was in poor taste anyway. "Ok, so people are going to have trouble with airport transportation because of this immigration ban, so let's make it even harder by taking away from transportation options." They not only could have made it harder for those who did eventually manage to clear CBP to get home, but they also made it harder for protesters to get to and from the airport. If I were in ch…

> The taxi drivers' strike was in poor taste anyway.

Most taxi drivers are immigrants and many are refugees, whose families are directly affected by this ban; I'm sure your own personal notion of good taste was far from their minds.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by inverse_pi »

didibus wrote: post #103
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #3

Dan Primack summarised this well; Uber failed on messaging: "Uber has done a lot of questionable things over the years, but its actions this past weekend vis-a-vis Trump's immigration ban weren't among them. An actual timeline from Saturday, which may differ from what you saw on social media: • 4:20pm ET: CEO Travis Kalanick sent email to employees. It stopped short of explicitly opposing the ban, but did say: (1) Th…

If we stop thinking of it as deleting Uber and start thinking of it as install lyft, I think it makes more sense. Lyft took a very public opposition stance and committed to give 1 000 000$ to support an advocacy group. And this isn't necessarily a stance against Trump, but just this particular executive order.

That still doesn't justify it though. Uber also took a public opposition stance against Trump [1][2]. Having a seat at the table doesn't mean they agree with Trump on EVERYTHING. It just means a chance to voice their opinions.

[1] http://venturebeat.com/2017/01/29/uber-creating-3-million-fu... [2] Travis's facebook post

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by ajamesm »

cderwin wrote: post #307
alphonsegaston wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber broke the strike by breaking the strike. This absurd focus on whether surge pricing was a multiplier or disincentive is a complete distraction. The taxi drivers reached out and asked Uber for solidarity. They dispatched drivers to break the strike. They made their bed in the court of public opinion, now they can lie in it.

To be clear, Uber did not break the strike. Uber drivers, who apparently did not feel compelled to take part in the strike, broke it. Strikes are not composed of companies, they are composed of workers. Would you expect Uber to have refused to let its drivers operate (against their will) during the taxi strike? That's absurd on its face.

I would expect Uber to ensure drivers are organized and informed about strikes and empowered to join them, if they were truly a neutral ride-sharing platform.

Really, they're just a business that employs people whom they don't want to classify as employees, and would sooner drown their riders in a lake than see them organize.

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