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Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by masklinn »

leereeves wrote: post #293
captainmuon wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber is a company, it is not organized in a union. I would never expect them to participate in a strike and effectively order their drivers to stop working. Just like a taxicab company doesn't participate in the strike, but the drivers do. This is like if Coca Cola workers went on strike, and problem blamed Pespi Co of breaking strike by not sending their workers home??

This wasn't a strike, it was a political protest. By not participating, Uber naturally made enemies among a group of people with a tendency to boycott everyone they disagree with. (I'm not taking sides here, just pointing out that this was a predictable outcome.)

> This wasn't a strike, it was a political protest.

The taxis started a strike action (in support of the protest, but a strike nonetheless).

> By not participating

strike-breaking.

> I'm not taking sides here

Of course you are.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by [deleted] »

masklinn wrote: post #301
leereeves wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This wasn't a strike, it was a political protest. By not participating, Uber naturally made enemies among a group of people with a tendency to boycott everyone they disagree with. (I'm not taking sides here, just pointing out that this was a predictable outcome.)

> This wasn't a strike, it was a political protest. The taxis started a strike action (in support of the protest, but a strike nonetheless). > By not participating strike-breaking. > I'm not taking sides here Of course you are.

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Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by doguozkan »

I'm curious about how taxi drivers are viewed in the US or this specific region. In Turkey, they're mostly hated, because they will go to any length to extort money out of the customers. This ranges from picking longer roads if they detect that the customer doesn't know the area well to asking for 500 euros to even pick them up after terrorist attacks. So, Uber was seen as the savior as their drivers wouldn't try to do any of this and were generally nicer in people's experience (it really doesn't take much to be nicer than a taxi driver here).

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by leereeves »

masklinn wrote: post #301
leereeves wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This wasn't a strike, it was a political protest. By not participating, Uber naturally made enemies among a group of people with a tendency to boycott everyone they disagree with. (I'm not taking sides here, just pointing out that this was a predictable outcome.)

> This wasn't a strike, it was a political protest. The taxis started a strike action (in support of the protest, but a strike nonetheless). > By not participating strike-breaking. > I'm not taking sides here Of course you are.

I thought the union (not the individual taxis) called for the work stoppage.

Perhaps we can call it both a strike and a political protest.

There doesn't seem to have been any way for Uber to avoid (being perceived as) taking sides, but how am I taking sides?

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by fvdessen »

agumonkey wrote: post #282
general_ai wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is 70 years old and he's currently the most powerful man in the world. He won't be "controlled" by anyone. But he likely will listen to the advice of people he respects.

Nah man I think he is not. He cannot flip the U.S into a farce like that. The amount of absurdly ridiculous news all over is devaluing the whole nation at light speed. I don't think he will last. I hope not. ---- He just fired a justice head for disagreeing. Apparently his assistant is showing tweets at press conferences.. This is unreal, I have no words.

Not An American, but so far Trump is giving the image of someone who can get things done and tackle difficult problems with practical solutions. I don't really understand the hysteria.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by vkou »

abalone wrote: post #280
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #3

Dan Primack summarised this well; Uber failed on messaging: "Uber has done a lot of questionable things over the years, but its actions this past weekend vis-a-vis Trump's immigration ban weren't among them. An actual timeline from Saturday, which may differ from what you saw on social media: • 4:20pm ET: CEO Travis Kalanick sent email to employees. It stopped short of explicitly opposing the ban, but did say: (1) Th…

Right, and on Sunday he followed up by unambiguously calling the ban "wrong and unjust".[1] Which was also a fumble because it sounded like a reaction to the blowback. Also interesting: Uber pledged $3M to help drivers right now. Lyft pledged just $250K/year.. to the ACLU (annual budget: $133M). But Uber lost that one too. People want war with Trump, not diplomacy. As for turning off surge pricing, clearly it was aft…

> People want war with Trump, not diplomacy.

The man just unilaterally stranded thousands of permanent residents outside of the country - and the departments enforcing this are disobeying legal court orders to halt the ban.

This is a fundamental attack on the rule of law. How exactly do you negotiate with that? "Please, sir, could you stop destroying lives?"

Do you think that he is too stupid to understand the consequences of his actions?

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by cderwin »

alphonsegaston wrote: post #29
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #3

Dan Primack summarised this well; Uber failed on messaging: "Uber has done a lot of questionable things over the years, but its actions this past weekend vis-a-vis Trump's immigration ban weren't among them. An actual timeline from Saturday, which may differ from what you saw on social media: • 4:20pm ET: CEO Travis Kalanick sent email to employees. It stopped short of explicitly opposing the ban, but did say: (1) Th…

Uber broke the strike by breaking the strike. This absurd focus on whether surge pricing was a multiplier or disincentive is a complete distraction. The taxi drivers reached out and asked Uber for solidarity. They dispatched drivers to break the strike. They made their bed in the court of public opinion, now they can lie in it.

To be clear, Uber did not break the strike. Uber drivers, who apparently did not feel compelled to take part in the strike, broke it. Strikes are not composed of companies, they are composed of workers. Would you expect Uber to have refused to let its drivers operate (against their will) during the taxi strike? That's absurd on its face.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by general_ai »

agumonkey wrote: post #295
general_ai wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's so "unreal" about firing an Obama appointee for blatant insubordination? Obama fired all of Dubya's people too, a Bush fired all of Clinton's people likewise. She was just keeping the chair warm for Sessions anyway. This is what's baffling to me. _Everything_ Trump does is interpreted in the most bizarre and paranoid way possible. I eagerly await the H1B order later this week. Once it is signed, HN will all of…

She's a an ex head of Justice, you don't act like that with people who were in charge of your country's pillar. She is knowledgeable, and competent; even if it's 80% defiance, you know she's not the average rebel. Trump just acts like a child removing everything that gets in its way just because he can. I agree with you that he's seen through a biased lens, because he smells like tragedy. His past and now present act…

Doesn't matter who she is. She's not a judge and DOJ is not a part of the judicial branch. Only a judge can stay or overrule an EO. She was way out of line, by a mile, and she got fired for it.

Funny as well that when Obama unceremoniously fired James Mattis without even bothering to communicate his decision why, no eyebrows were raised and he wasn't called a 5yo. Mattis's fault? He didn't want us to bomb Iran.

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Post by jakeogh »

rtx wrote: post #250
tiles wrote: post #236

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> This is the kind of rhetoric that pushed a ton of people on the fence towards Trump. I hate to pick on this quote (I appreciate and suggest people read the rest of your post) but I don't agree with this. A common rightist tactic is to suggest either 1) I was okay with X policy when Obama did something so I have no moral authority to judge it now, or 2) I'm just a liberal whiner, too young, or too weak to appreciate…

Calling out people for staying silent under Obama is not a tactic. It's just a way to highlight a person's motivation.

It's an intellectually honest way to point out inconsistency. The hypocrisy is asymmetric from my pov. I know people who were horrified Obama got elected and some indulged in variations of the 'he's Hitler' BS, but the current reaction by the extreme neo-left is a magnitude of order worse. There's plenty (a majority I bet) of Dems that are not making that mistake, but the echo chamber prevents them from speaking unless they are willing to piss off their peers.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by leereeves »

ggggtez wrote: post #292
captainmuon wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber is a company, it is not organized in a union. I would never expect them to participate in a strike and effectively order their drivers to stop working. Just like a taxicab company doesn't participate in the strike, but the drivers do. This is like if Coca Cola workers went on strike, and problem blamed Pespi Co of breaking strike by not sending their workers home??

They are a company, sure. But the citizens vote with their wallets, and are clearly making a choice for the type of company they prefer. Maybe that means most people in New York prefer a company which cooperates with their local unions.

Did Lyft cooperate with their local unions?
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