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Re: Ask HN: Are there any startups willing to use the ASP.NET Core technology?

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Post by saosebastiao »

ponco wrote: post #29
throwaw181ay wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Object-Oriented programming doesn't have a place in our hearts, Go is object oriented. > I hate to say it, but I just don't trust Microsoft. But you trust Google? well known for discontinuing products or abandoning them ( GWT?,... ) > It's a statically typed language that treats functions as first class citizens Without some form of generics/type classes you can't fully take advantage of Go first class functions to…

Can you elaborate on what you mean by Google abandoning JWT?

I think the parent meant GWT.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any startups willing to use the ASP.NET Core technology?

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Post by gol706 »

throwawasiudy wrote: post #17
deskcoder wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I ask what you ran into? I'm thinking about starting a side project with .Net Core for my API and React for my front end. I'm wondering if it's even worth it to use Core at this point or switch to Go or Node.

I personally hate node with all of my being, but Go is good stuff and Java has two very solid REST frameworks Jersey and Spring Boot. Depending on the project needs you could use DropWizard or Play which come with a really solid REST API framework builtin. I was always partial to Pythons Flask as well What did we run into? Tons of brokenness. Inability to use C# libs was the biggest problem, if you're trying to make…

I have no clue if anyone really uses it, and it has a terribly un-googleable name, but the Java Spark Framework is the most beautifully simplistic REST API I have ever played with. It's the only time Java has ever felt like Node to me.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any startups willing to use the ASP.NET Core technology?

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Post by dgudkov »

We're currently evaluating ASP.NET Core for a task manager with web UI for our .NET application (a data transformation tool). Our target audience is people with little or no technical background therefore we can't ask them to setup IIS. I looked at other web-servers in .NET stack (e.g. Suave), but nothing looked sufficiently lightweight and easy to use. Although, we're looking for ASP.NET Core over .NET 4.5.1, not .NET Core.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any startups willing to use the ASP.NET Core technology?

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Post by hallz »

I have been using it on a project and it has caused issues. However I think once .NET Standard is released adopting .NET Core won't be a problem. Plenty of other open source frameworks and libraries have similar issues.

Also it is important to realise that ASP.NET Core is not the same as .NET Core (asp.net core can run with .net core or .net 4.5/6).

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/cesardelatorre/2016/06/28/r...

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/09/26/introduci...

Re: Ask HN: Are there any startups willing to use the ASP.NET Core technology?

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Post by frik »

graycat wrote: post #32
nicostouch wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congratulations on completely failing to answer the question.

The question was about .NET Core, and I wrote about .NET which likely is closely related. It is likely that my use of .NET is also use of some of what is in .NET Core. So, I answered based on what I know about .NET which should be relevant to the question. Others can be more clear on what is the same, similar, or different between .NET and .NET Core. Then the parts of .NET Core that are also in .NET can get something…

.NET core is a complete rewrite with incompatible API, it has little to do with the old .NET legacy framework. That's MSFT, one days hip API is tomorrows legacy cruft, you better stay on the edge or choose a stable non-MSFT open source solution.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any startups willing to use the ASP.NET Core technology?

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Post by weq »

I never recommend up taking any MS stuff until the atleast the V2. Been programming in .net since 1.1 when i came over from java.

First off - get off the marketing bandwagon. You dont need .NET core. If you want to be "prepared" for .net core eventually, u can do this by using dependency injection, and isolating all your platform specific code - ie. Never use File. Directory. directly, always wrap them in a service, ie IFileSystemService. If u want to be mostly compliant (esp with reflection), use PCL projects as they are widely used and supported and are basically core compliant.

But yeh anyways, u need to be more specific as to WHY u need .NET core? My startup is using Owin + WebAPI + React, no need for ASP.NET/razor at all.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any startups willing to use the ASP.NET Core technology?

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Post by boraturan »

We are all built on .net core (alvin5.com)

We have had issues with Visual Studio and Tooling between betas, but now the platform has matured considerably and with the expected release of .net standard 2.0, I would say you can go for it for prod. C#/Editor/Tooling/Access-to-low-level is better than any platform I habe used. The new MS with the open/Azure/AI investments also seems ok. We feel like we are fit for the next 10 years with .net core.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any startups willing to use the ASP.NET Core technology?

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

jmkni wrote: post #27

I'm the lead developer on a startup and all of our backend code is .net core (the frontend is still 4.5)! I love it. Feel free to PM for more info.

Do you use EF at all? I'm interested in DNX but only EFC works on DNX, not EF6, and EFC is missing so much necessary functionality (Lazy-loading, Linq joins, Complex types, etc) it's a total no-go for the projects I do that all tie-in with databases.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any startups willing to use the ASP.NET Core technology?

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Post by rdlecler1 »

throwawasiudy wrote: post #16
kogir wrote: post #9

> If not what are the reasons for a startup to stay away from .NET CORE? I've been using .Net for over 10 years now, and just launched a new product on Asp.Net Web API + SQL Server + Orleans. Whatever Microsoft says, .Net Core is not at all ready. The tooling and libraries are still undergoing major (and breaking) changes. You'll spend more time debugging it than your own code. I (foolishly) tried to adopt it a year…

I agree 100%. My last place was a 100% MS shop and while .NET core seems like it will be great we ran into endless problems, specifically with compatibility and existing libraries. We couldn't get anything more than a toy project to work. I recommend anyone looking at .NET core to use Java for now. The languages are basically mutually intelligible and while java is a bit less syntactically pleasant it gets the job do…

>I agree 100%. My last place was a 100% MS shop and while .NET core seems like it will be great we ran into endless problems, specifically with compatibility and existing libraries. We couldn't get anything more than a toy project to work.

This has been my experience with MS in general. Initially everything seems great and you feel productive, but as soon as you decide to go off-road you lose all that you gained and more with buggy and poorly documented software.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any startups willing to use the ASP.NET Core technology?

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

stephenwithav wrote: post #12

> If not what are the reasons for a startup to stay away from .NET CORE? .NET's text-to-speech isn't available in .NET Core, much less on Linux.

Isn't that because .NET's TTS is just a wrapper around OS-provided TTS services?
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