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Trump Fires Acting Attorney General

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Re: Trump Fires Acting Attorney General

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Post by disantlor »

cookiecaper wrote: post #66
danhak wrote: post #45

“I think a lot of the voters who vote for Trump take Trump seriously but not literally. And so when they hear things like the Muslim comment or the wall comment or things like that, the question is not ‘Are you going to build a wall like the Great Wall of China?’ or, you know, ‘How exactly are you going to enforce these tests?’ What they hear is ‘We’re going to have a saner, more sensible immigration policy.’" -Peter…

* The ban is a temporary measure and has nothing to do with religion. President Obama signed a list of countries into law for enhanced visa scrutiny and President Trump used that exact list without modification, directly referencing the statute in which it was codified. They'd already been identified as terrorism hotspots that warranted additional scrutiny from immigration officials by the Obama administration. Trump…

any what exactly does this EO accomplish?

just because Obama identified countries as a potential threat doesn't necessitate that we be recklessly suspicious of anyone who comes from them. it's disingenuous to say it's just a"step forward"

by permanent residents i assume you mean green card holders in which case they 100% were affected unless you believe the white house spin.

Re: Trump Fires Acting Attorney General

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Post by zzleeper »

cookiecaper wrote: post #66
danhak wrote: post #45

“I think a lot of the voters who vote for Trump take Trump seriously but not literally. And so when they hear things like the Muslim comment or the wall comment or things like that, the question is not ‘Are you going to build a wall like the Great Wall of China?’ or, you know, ‘How exactly are you going to enforce these tests?’ What they hear is ‘We’re going to have a saner, more sensible immigration policy.’" -Peter…

* The ban is a temporary measure and has nothing to do with religion. President Obama signed a list of countries into law for enhanced visa scrutiny and President Trump used that exact list without modification, directly referencing the statute in which it was codified. They'd already been identified as terrorism hotspots that warranted additional scrutiny from immigration officials by the Obama administration. Trump…

Do you really believe what you posted?

If tomorrow he says something to disprove one of your points, you will further twist your argument to somehow appears as if he is still doing the right thing.

I don't think anyone but yourself can convince you of what is really going on.

Re: Trump Fires Acting Attorney General

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Post by jbyers »

zzleeper wrote: post #78
jbyers wrote: post #73

Respectfully, can we maintain the political detox on Hacker News? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13108404 I'm personally as engaged in reading and debating politics as I ever have been, but elsewhere. As dang put it: "Political conflicts cause harm here."

From news.istambulcombinator.com.tr , circa 2012 : >Respectfully, can we maintain the ban on political articles on Istambul Hacker News? Sure, we can close our ears, and also we can argue that here we only discuss tech all the time. But as long as the world we live in influences tech, and all of us, there should be a political discussion here. HN comments are one of the sharpest for online forums, and it is a shame t…

I'm happy to debate the intersection of technology and politics here. But not pure politics. This community has an identity and norms and topics that are and aren't in scope.

An alternative would be to use the same software, same group of passionate people to start the discussion, and the backing of Y Combinator in a different forum with a different identity, norms, etc.

I'm also happy to be wrong / downvoted. It's for the community to decide, but it has to be a choice.

Re: Trump Fires Acting Attorney General

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Post by [deleted] »

whyileft wrote: post #42
rphlx wrote: post #38

Anyone in the private sector would be fired under similar conditions, except probably without an article in the NY times.

Considering it is illegal for companies to do what Trump ordered[0], I'm not sure that would be the best analogy. https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/nationalorigin.cfm

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Re: Trump Fires Acting Attorney General

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Post by wavefunction »

widforss wrote: post #8

If I understand the American system correctly, this is indeed something that Trump has mandate to do. However. I wonder whether I will ever stop to be surprised and horrified over the development in the US.

Trump and the GOP have a mandate to govern, ie. to conduct the normal affairs of the government in accordance with statute and internal policy.

A "mandate" makes it sound like Trump, with a minority of the adult voting-age adult population of the United States has received the right to transform the country wholesale, which simply isn't true.

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Post by workerIbe »

aub3bhat wrote: post #76
danhak wrote: post #45

“I think a lot of the voters who vote for Trump take Trump seriously but not literally. And so when they hear things like the Muslim comment or the wall comment or things like that, the question is not ‘Are you going to build a wall like the Great Wall of China?’ or, you know, ‘How exactly are you going to enforce these tests?’ What they hear is ‘We’re going to have a saner, more sensible immigration policy.’" -Peter…

Peter Thiel will go down in history as Trump/Bannon's useful idiot. He might have come up in short term betting correctly on Trump but he is down on long. If he thinks that he is going to get a piece of the pie after Kushner/Tillerson/Preibus(establishment) have had their take, then he is in for a cake.

What I think alot of Trump supporters are taking seriously is the phenomena that is the left feeding off It's own hyperbole, it's pretty disturbing.

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Post by conistonwater »

cookiecaper wrote: post #66
danhak wrote: post #45

“I think a lot of the voters who vote for Trump take Trump seriously but not literally. And so when they hear things like the Muslim comment or the wall comment or things like that, the question is not ‘Are you going to build a wall like the Great Wall of China?’ or, you know, ‘How exactly are you going to enforce these tests?’ What they hear is ‘We’re going to have a saner, more sensible immigration policy.’" -Peter…

* The ban is a temporary measure and has nothing to do with religion. President Obama signed a list of countries into law for enhanced visa scrutiny and President Trump used that exact list without modification, directly referencing the statute in which it was codified. They'd already been identified as terrorism hotspots that warranted additional scrutiny from immigration officials by the Obama administration. Trump…

> The ban is a temporary measure and has nothing to do with religion.

As an example, Rudy Giuliani, who seems to have been involved in drafting it, explains that it does: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/29/tr... and also explains why the language of the order does not contain a religious test.

> Alien permanent residents from the affected countries are not currently banned. They never were.

This is just plain false, the "immigrant and non-immigrant" text was part of the original executive order, and the DHS spokeswoman said it applied to greencard holders. Later the administration seems to have reversed their stance on this. (Here is a later overview: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-bann...)

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Post by [deleted] »

cookiecaper wrote: post #66
danhak wrote: post #45

“I think a lot of the voters who vote for Trump take Trump seriously but not literally. And so when they hear things like the Muslim comment or the wall comment or things like that, the question is not ‘Are you going to build a wall like the Great Wall of China?’ or, you know, ‘How exactly are you going to enforce these tests?’ What they hear is ‘We’re going to have a saner, more sensible immigration policy.’" -Peter…

* The ban is a temporary measure and has nothing to do with religion. President Obama signed a list of countries into law for enhanced visa scrutiny and President Trump used that exact list without modification, directly referencing the statute in which it was codified. They'd already been identified as terrorism hotspots that warranted additional scrutiny from immigration officials by the Obama administration. Trump…

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Re: Trump Fires Acting Attorney General

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Post by couchand »

dang wrote: post #37
AlexandrB wrote: post #34

The fact that this is flagged is ridiculous. The USA is undergoing historic turmoil - history is literally being made; meanwhile on Hacker News: here's some JS tips for your next webapp!

You can't judge this accurately by a single post. HN has had a significant uptick in political stories lately. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13522433 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13516969 for more about this if you're interested. Edit: looks like a moderator unflagged this one. That's how the system is designed to work: upvotes, flags, and moderation all play a role.

We all appreciate the work you folks are doing keeping up with the moderation, I'm sure there's a lot of it.

But I hope I don't detect a note of dismissal here. I think it's reasonable to question examples of flagging such as this one, which kept a trending story off the front page for a critical period that almost allowed a much inferior duplicate to take over. Considering these situations carefully will keep the community standards healthy.

Re: Trump Fires Acting Attorney General

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Post by yes_or_gnome »

mikelevins wrote: post #74
TenOhms wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Obama, Clinton, or Bush have an AG that willfully showed insubordination and encouraged it to their subordinates? I'm surprised her action didn't get more news coverage, well not really.

In March of 2004 John Ashcroft's Justice Department determined that the Bush Administration's Stellar Wind surveillance program was illegal. While Ashcroft was in the hospital being treated for acute pancreatitis, President Bush sent White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales and Chief of Staff Andrew Card to tell Ashcroft to sign a document overturning his department's ruling. He refused. He remained Attorney General unti…

The Acting AG at that time? The current FBI director, James Comey. Truth is stranger than fiction.
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