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Toxic fluorinated compounds found in drinking water of 33 states

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Post by diogenescynic »

general_ai wrote: post #58
diogenescynic wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EPA and other regulators have been hamstrung by republicans since their inception and then when they don't do everything perfectly republicans love to show how the EPA, SEC or whoever aren't doing their job. Republicans sabotage these regulators and don't provide adequate funding. It's sabotage. "The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." - P. J. O'Rou…

FYI, the EPA is comprised of 15000 employees, and its annual budet is $8.14B. That's $543K per head. A lot of money for sitting on their hands and making excuses that they're "hamstrung".

It's all about how you want to manipulate the stats--$8billion for 320,000,000 Americans is $25/person. Don't you think $8billion is a relatively small budget/price to pay for protecting human health and regulating environment protections in a $16.7 trillion economy with 3.797 million square miles of territory? I sure do.

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Post by astrodust »

hughes wrote: post #3
esun wrote: post #2

The article refers to compounds found in, for example, firefighting foam and not to the fluoride added for preventing tooth decay.

Nevertheless, this study will be added to the arsenal of those seeking to end municipal fluoridation.

Who cares? The same people are arguing the government should stop geo-engineering with HAARP and chemtrails. They're detached from reality.

They'll use a study on sock production volumes in Honduras causing earthquakes in India.

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Post by ythn »

thegabez wrote: post #68
Reason077 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly! Everyone's always so worried about fluoride in drinking water, with little justification and without giving a thought to all the chlorine which is often present in far greater concentrations and, in certain conditions, can react with other organic and inorganic compounds to form all sorts of nasties. Get a good filter for your drinking water and most of these concerns vanish. Plus you'll save a fortune on bo…

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Brita

Re: Toxic fluorinated compounds found in drinking water of 33 states

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Post by e40 »

tibbon wrote: post #53

Why isn't the state of our water supply a national emergency? In the long term this will affect far more people than whatever terrorist scare Trump is currently worried about.

The short answer: Republicans. They want less regulation and have been trying for decades to gut the EPA. They will finally get their chance.

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Post by digler999 »

sageikosa wrote: post #21

The study found that PFASs were detectable at the minimum reporting levels required by the EPA in 194 out of 4,864 water supplies in 33 states across the United States. So, about 4% of water supplies had something at the minimum reporting levels; which must be above the detection limits, but may not be at action levels. I'd probably be more worried about heavy metals and organics in some of those locations than fire-…

dont forget unmetabolized antidepressants and other prescription drugs

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Post by andrewvc »

philipkglass wrote: post #18

This article is about heavily fluorinated organic compounds -- molecules with a carbon skeleton and all or most of the hydrogen atoms replaced by fluorine. These are not the ionic fluorine compounds that protect teeth against decay (and that cause acute toxicity in case of over-consumption). Why are these compounds hazardous? - Harmful biological effects in the human body, like hormone-mimic activity. - Low molecular…

Why weren't the risks better known before?

I'm sorry, but the truth here is that DuPont knew for decades and hid those results from the public. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-06/dupont-lo...

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Post by VLM »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #38
refurb wrote: post #6

had at least one water sample that measured at or above the EPA safety limit of 70 parts per trillion (ng/L) Just for reference, here are the EPA safety limits for other chemicals....[1] Cyanide - 200,000 ng/L Lead - 15,000 ng/L Mercury - 2,000 ng/L Benzene - 5,000 ng/L Glyphosate - 700,000 ng/L PCBs - 500 ng/L [1] https://www.epa.gov/ground-water-and-drinking-water/table-re...

So this stuff is considered 3000 times as bad as cyanide? That's rather disturbing.

The natural concentration of the weird high molecular weight fluorine compounds is exactly zero, whereas cyanide compounds are natural and show up in small amounts in many fruit seeds, a couple nuts, some root vegetables.

Its not physically possible to eat enough apple seeds to get sick, but if you industrially concentrate cyanide by a factor of a hundred thousand or so because its so nifty at plating metals and stuff, then that purified form will kill you.

Its kinda like ethanol, your liver knows exactly what to do with it in small rare amounts, and out in the wilderness its extremely hard to die of ethanol poisoning from eating too many over ripe berries, or at least you'd have to try really hard for a long time, but given some industrial processing assistance its been possible for humans to die of ethanol poisoning for the last couple thousand years. Very few alcoholics drank themselves to death in 50000 BC, likewise no human died of cyanide poisoning until the 1800s AFAIK.

Unlike cyanides your liver has no idea what to do with the fluorine compounds given that a human liver had never seen one until 1930s, so naturally a little can really mess you up.

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Post by ggcdn »

Reason077 wrote: post #15
overcast wrote: post #4

While drinking water is generally extremely safe in the US, especially compared to many other countries of the world. I still install three stage, under the counter filtration systems for any kitchen tap water. Minimal costs, and at the very least prevents the water from tasting like a pool.

Exactly! Everyone's always so worried about fluoride in drinking water, with little justification and without giving a thought to all the chlorine which is often present in far greater concentrations and, in certain conditions, can react with other organic and inorganic compounds to form all sorts of nasties. Get a good filter for your drinking water and most of these concerns vanish. Plus you'll save a fortune on bo…

If you're worried about chlorine, you don't even need a filter. Put the water in a jug in the fridge for an hour or so.

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Post by some-guy »

astrodust wrote: post #72
hughes wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nevertheless, this study will be added to the arsenal of those seeking to end municipal fluoridation.

Who cares? The same people are arguing the government should stop geo-engineering with HAARP and chemtrails. They're detached from reality. They'll use a study on sock production volumes in Honduras causing earthquakes in India.

> Who cares?

They vote, so I care.

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