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The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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If the goal is to test the extent that checks and balances can be circumvented/authoritarianism implemented, then showing up in protest is absolutely effective, especially when it pressured CBP officials to follow the court order. At airport protests, the illegality of the order and executive coup when the courts were not complied with was a huge, huge focus.

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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This is always obvious to me. I think at this moment Trump's wet dream is that some frustrated person from these 7 nations might do something really stupid that will help him go even harder after Muslims and other minorities.

Asians, Mexicans etc. are next on the anvil.

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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Before November I would not have upvoted this story. But given that Steve Bannon is in WH to come up with ideas to 1) end international co-operation 2) destroy existing democratic institutions 3) create a nation state on the shared heritage identity (descendants from a specfic group of European countries practicing a specific religion), such theories do not seem out of place

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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I loathe Trump, and despise Bannon, and I wouldn't put it past them to have some dirty tricks, but this conspiracy theory doesn't pass muster

The political optics of having to 'roll back' are not beneficial for POTUS, because it would be an admission that he's 'wrong' - and he does not like to be wrong.

Second - if the ACLU can 'win' cases against the administration - this is hugely damaging for them, as it speaks to their lack of credibility to everyone except the hardcore followers - it gives momentum to their opponents - and a 'permanent record' of things to wail about for 4 years.

More importantly - it weakens them vis-a-vis the GOP controlled congress.

Right now - Trump is strong, only because he has a very solid base support. The GOP do not like Trump, but right now they are afraid of his wrath - politically. And Trump will go a long with most of what they want so it's not so bad.

But - if Trump is weakened too much, then the GOP don't have to listen to him, and they'll start fighting him on agenda issues.

The reason Trump is rushing through this stuff is not for issues of power - it's popular politics: he has the power 'now' to do some things - and may not have it later. He's trying to appear as though 'he's done what he's said he's done'.

Also - the refugee ban is not even meaningful, other than in terms of perception. There will be some disruption for 90 days, and then things will be as they were. This is political theatre, not a conniving power grab.

A few more things like this from Trump and he will be weakened, he could feasibly be the biggest 'lame duck' president ever, though surely he will make a lot of noise during that period.

If the GOP abandons him, he can only scrawl together so many executive orders - granted, he'll wield his veto power like a drunk king ...

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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I loathe Trump, and despise Bannon, and I wouldn't put it past them to have some dirty tricks, but this conspiracy theory doesn't pass muster The political optics of having to 'roll back' are not beneficial for POTUS, because it would be an admission that he's 'wrong' - and he does not like to be wrong. Second - if the ACLU can 'win' cases against the administration - this is hugely damaging for them, as it speaks to…

As the article points out, he doesn't have to admit to being wrong. By making the order overly broad, he is able to later claim that a future implementation is what he intended all along.

Re: The Immigration Ban Is a Headfake, and We’re Falling for It

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post #3

If the goal is to test the extent that checks and balances can be circumvented/authoritarianism implemented, then showing up in protest is absolutely effective, especially when it pressured CBP officials to follow the court order. At airport protests, the illegality of the order and executive coup when the courts were not complied with was a huge, huge focus.

It's important to remember that no part of the order has been deemed illegal yet. The NY court just granted a stay so that people affected would be able to proceed with the case on American soil.
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