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Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

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Re: Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

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Looks like this is not just targeting H-1B, but basically all work and business visas for the US: > The draft of Trump’s executive order covers an alphabet soup of visa programs, including H-1B, L-1, E-2 and B1. L-1 is intracompany transfer, E-2 is investor, and B-1 is the super common standard "I'm going to a meeting" business visa needed by everybody not in the visa waiver program.

Would that be including the E-3 for Australians as well?

Re: Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

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Interesting. Singapore introduced the exact same policy (hire Singaporeans first) a few years ago. I thought it was well-intentioned even though it would hurt myself as a foreigner.

Edit to add source:

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/firms-must-show-they-t...

Re: Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

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Any guess on how much will salaries for developers will rise after this move?

If a company can't recruit an immigrant worker on a visa they'll try recruit one of the currently unemployed local developers on the exact same package the immigrant would have been on. That has no impact on wages. If the job required a unique talent that would only have been possible to fill with an exceptionally talented immigrant worker then the job won't be filled, and the company will be consequently less compet…

Why assume a specialized job "won't be filled", but a job were "the exact same package the immigrant would have been on" is offered will?

I believe H1B visas are currently used to get workers who accept lower-than-average wages; Hence the same jobs offered to non H1B workers at that level won't be attractive.

Re: Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

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Any guess on how much will salaries for developers will rise after this move?

Or how much developer employment will fall? (Two sides of the same coin.)

How would that happen? do you mean world-wide?

Re: Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

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I don't live in the USA currently but I have worked there before on a visa and I think the current system does require some sort of an overhaul. The current way of doing things is great for some companies and for customers who want to save money on IT services but I believe it does undermine wages (for Americans and others) and being on a visa tied to a company just opens up foreign developers to abuse (not the horri…

The current way of doing things is great for some companies and for customers who want to save money on IT services but I believe it does undermine wages (for Americans and others)

Why do we care about increasing inequality and increasing costs to consumers by protecting high-wage American workers from foreign competition?

and being on a visa tied to a company just opens up foreign developers to abuse

I'd love to hear what kind of actual abuses an H1B shop can pull off. Make developers work 50 hours/week for the 1-2 months it'll take the developers to find a new job that'll be willing to sponsor the visa?

Re: Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

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>Companies would have to try to hire American first and if they recruit foreign workers, priority would be given to the most highly paid. Wow, that's horrible. I mean, a country giving preference to their own kind. When is this nightmare going to end?

Yeah, it is horrible. Why limit your professional life, team, workplace and day to day exchanges to a tiny pool of people when there are billions of people who inhabit planet earth.

Reciprocity. People you have fewer bonds/relationships with are less likely to reciprocate, and more likely to compete.

> a tiny pool of people

Are you talking about the US (dev) population?

Re: Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

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Looks like this is not just targeting H-1B, but basically all work and business visas for the US: > The draft of Trump’s executive order covers an alphabet soup of visa programs, including H-1B, L-1, E-2 and B1. L-1 is intracompany transfer, E-2 is investor, and B-1 is the super common standard "I'm going to a meeting" business visa needed by everybody not in the visa waiver program.

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Re: Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

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Any guess on how much will salaries for developers will rise after this move?

If a company can't recruit an immigrant worker on a visa they'll try recruit one of the currently unemployed local developers on the exact same package the immigrant would have been on. That has no impact on wages. If the job required a unique talent that would only have been possible to fill with an exceptionally talented immigrant worker then the job won't be filled, and the company will be consequently less compet…

Why would it drive wages down?! It'd be the exact opposite, and is the reason that wages have been stagnant in STEM, and is the reason for the wage collusion scandal. Companies would have to increase their offers to attract talent from other companies. Or they would have to - as used to be the case everywhere - accept that talent is nurtured from within.
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