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Trump’s Next Move on Immigration to Hit Closer to Home for Tech

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Any guess on how much will salaries for developers will rise after this move?

Or how much developer employment will fall? (Two sides of the same coin.)

Surely you only get more unemployment when its artificially increased by law.

There would be nothing stopping a individual developer accepting a lower salary. But probably won't because companies are desperate for them.

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>Companies would have to try to hire American first and if they recruit foreign workers, priority would be given to the most highly paid. Wow, that's horrible. I mean, a country giving preference to their own kind. When is this nightmare going to end?

Yeah, it is horrible. Why limit your professional life, team, workplace and day to day exchanges to a tiny pool of people when there are billions of people who inhabit planet earth.

Because Dunbar's number

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Any guess on how much will salaries for developers will rise after this move?

If a company can't recruit an immigrant worker on a visa they'll try recruit one of the currently unemployed local developers on the exact same package the immigrant would have been on. That has no impact on wages.

If the job required a unique talent that would only have been possible to fill with an exceptionally talented immigrant worker then the job won't be filled, and the company will be consequently less competitive. That will likely drive the wages of their workers down if a different company (in India perhaps) is able to utilize that worker's skills.

For example, imagine the next Jony Ive can't get a visa so he stays in the UK and works for a British company instead.. How would that impact American wages?

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>Companies would have to try to hire American first and if they recruit foreign workers, priority would be given to the most highly paid. Wow, that's horrible. I mean, a country giving preference to their own kind. When is this nightmare going to end?

I was under the impression that an L1 or L2 currently required a candidate to have "specialist knowledge" that a company wouldn't be able to recruit domestically anyway? I could be misunderstanding, but isn't this just bringing the h1b in line with that?

"specialist knowledge" makes sense in L1 because L1 is for intra-company transfer. You are already working for this company (outside of the US), so it's possible that you have some "specialist knowledge" about the technology this company uses, and if they transfer you to the US instead of a local new hire, it saves the company money and time to train the new hire. H1b is not for intra-company transfer so this doesn't make any sense.

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I don't live in the USA currently but I have worked there before on a visa and I think the current system does require some sort of an overhaul. The current way of doing things is great for some companies and for customers who want to save money on IT services but I believe it does undermine wages (for Americans and others) and being on a visa tied to a company just opens up foreign developers to abuse (not the horri…

> If the overhaul is even worse than what they have now then the rest of the world should stop moaning and treat this like an opportunity

It's not only about what non-US people think about it. Whatever happens effects Americans, through the effects on the U.S. economy. It effects potential immigrants. And it effects the rest of the world through its effects on the global economy.

I don't live in the US, I don't have any current plans to move there, but I still care about what happens to people in the US and other countries.

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Any guess on how much will salaries for developers will rise after this move?

If a company can't recruit an immigrant worker on a visa they'll try recruit one of the currently unemployed local developers on the exact same package the immigrant would have been on. That has no impact on wages. If the job required a unique talent that would only have been possible to fill with an exceptionally talented immigrant worker then the job won't be filled, and the company will be consequently less compet…

Surely if companies are desperate for developers, there would be very few unemployed developers.

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>Companies would have to try to hire American first and if they recruit foreign workers, priority would be given to the most highly paid. Wow, that's horrible. I mean, a country giving preference to their own kind. When is this nightmare going to end?

"brain drain"

Americans are going to start taking jobs overseas, you're not going to have immigrants coming here. It's going to wreck the US economy.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it is horrible. Why limit your professional life, team, workplace and day to day exchanges to a tiny pool of people when there are billions of people who inhabit planet earth.

Because Dunbar's number

To give context "Dunbar's number is a suggested cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships — relationships in which an individual knows who each person is and how each person relates to every other person" [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

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>Companies would have to try to hire American first and if they recruit foreign workers, priority would be given to the most highly paid. Wow, that's horrible. I mean, a country giving preference to their own kind. When is this nightmare going to end?

Yeah, it is horrible. Why limit your professional life, team, workplace and day to day exchanges to a tiny pool of people when there are billions of people who inhabit planet earth.

Because companies do what companies do best; keep down costs, and exploit every angle they can get away with.

It's gone on too long. We all see the abuses, but are afraid to say anything.

Since there's such a "tiny pool of people" move the organization to---say India? Or China? They must have eager qualified candidates?

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