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Re: Make America Hate Again

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post #8

Just saw this got momentarily flagged into oblivion. The dark forces seem to be gathering. I applaud this effort by leaders in our community to stand up and not just let this awful bigotry slide by.

I vouched it and it went back onto the front page, but it got promptly flagged away again. :-(

Re: Make America Hate Again

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Make sure to check out the comment down the bottom where Fred Wilson says he'll talk to Disqus about killing Breitbart's account, as well as the related discussion.

As a non-American with less to lose, while I think the latest move by Trump is contemptible and stupid, a lot of the response to it seem counter-productive. People here (edit: on HN) and elsewhere are doubling down on hatred, both of Trump supporters and of Muslims, without any kind of thought for convincing the other side's decision-makers or wooing independents. That's a dangerous thing to do, especially when you've just lost an election.

Re: Make America Hate Again

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I know what "hate" means. I know what bigotry is, and I know what racism means. Don't you?

I know what those words mean too. That's why I voted for Trump in San Francisco.

Would you care to elaborate, because I don't understand. Usually people would like the society in general to have less bigotry, hatred, and racism. Do you think Trump will help us get there, and how?

Re: Make America Hate Again

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I know what "hate" means. I know what bigotry is, and I know what racism means. Don't you?

This works similarly to paradigms in science. Most of the time people don't actually define paradigms; it's implicit in the general experience of being a researcher. People similarly have a commonsense understanding of what hate, bigotry, and racism are. This works fine when everyone agrees, but once a field reaches a crisis, once you have a political climate so violently polarized, it stops working to appeal to people's basic intuitions. People no longer agree on the most basic things. You have to start calling out specifically what the other side is doing and why it's a bad idea.

Simply calling someone "hateful" is an emotional argument at this point, and hurting discourse.

Re: Make America Hate Again

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post #8

Just saw this got momentarily flagged into oblivion. The dark forces seem to be gathering. I applaud this effort by leaders in our community to stand up and not just let this awful bigotry slide by.

I vouched it and it went back onto the front page, but it got promptly flagged away again. :-(

Yep. Sadly, it seems HN may be getting overrun by Trump apologists.

Where's the next good place to be after HN gets gaslighted to not knowing the meaning of words?

Re: Make America Hate Again

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post #16

I know what "hate" means. I know what bigotry is, and I know what racism means. Don't you?

This works similarly to paradigms in science. Most of the time people don't actually define paradigms; it's implicit in the general experience of being a researcher. People similarly have a commonsense understanding of what hate, bigotry, and racism are. This works fine when everyone agrees, but once a field reaches a crisis, once you have a political climate so violently polarized, it stops working to appeal to peop…

So we're back to specifically having to point out why discriminating based on, say, race, is not a good idea? Good grief.

Re: Make America Hate Again

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post #8

Just saw this got momentarily flagged into oblivion. The dark forces seem to be gathering. I applaud this effort by leaders in our community to stand up and not just let this awful bigotry slide by.

Yep, I've been watching it bouncing in and out for the last 20 minutes or so.

Re: Make America Hate Again

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post #16

I know what "hate" means. I know what bigotry is, and I know what racism means. Don't you?

This works similarly to paradigms in science. Most of the time people don't actually define paradigms; it's implicit in the general experience of being a researcher. People similarly have a commonsense understanding of what hate, bigotry, and racism are. This works fine when everyone agrees, but once a field reaches a crisis, once you have a political climate so violently polarized, it stops working to appeal to peop…

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