The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity • Hacker News Board

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Post by up_so_floating » Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 4:49 AM UTC

wallace_f wrote: post #106

lacampbell wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't allow bakeries to choose which weddings they will cater I think it's incredibly entitled to want the government to punish private businesses for refusing to do a job. Not everyone has to agree with your ideas or provide you a service. Getting the state involved to literally force a small business to make a cake is an insane, authoritarian over-reaction. The fact that it seems OK to you because you have no pr…

I agree with you. I don't know why or how it came to be that diversity is the greatest virtue in Western society and every White Western country is being forced to take in so many that Whites will be a minority. Meanwhile an educated Chinese or Japanese citizen has an incredibly difficult challenge in legally migrating to America or Western Europe. What the fuck is going on here? I don't like bigotry, but this just d…

When you criminalize a certain pattern of thought, it seems that its inverse will eventually get taken to the most extreme position.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Post by lacampbell » Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 4:51 AM UTC

wallace_f wrote: post #106

lacampbell wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't allow bakeries to choose which weddings they will cater I think it's incredibly entitled to want the government to punish private businesses for refusing to do a job. Not everyone has to agree with your ideas or provide you a service. Getting the state involved to literally force a small business to make a cake is an insane, authoritarian over-reaction. The fact that it seems OK to you because you have no pr…

I agree with you. I don't know why or how it came to be that diversity is the greatest virtue in Western society and every White Western country is being forced to take in so many that Whites will be a minority. Meanwhile an educated Chinese or Japanese citizen has an incredibly difficult challenge in legally migrating to America or Western Europe. What the fuck is going on here? I don't like bigotry, but this just d…

Sorry, what? I was talking about baking cakes. Did you mean to reply to someone else?

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Post by jessaustin » Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 5:14 AM UTC

nostrebored wrote: post #108

jessaustin wrote: post #83

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Would you care to point us to these studies?

A cursory google about the catharsis myth should do the trick. Not terribly invested in convincing you.

That's fine; you haven't. Googling "catharsis myth" turns up various (unscientific, opinionated) stuff about anger. Perhaps some CP fans are motivated by anger (toward children?), but to generalize from that to all the other motivations for CP is a non sequitur. I'm not normally the "citation needed" dickhead, but you started out by specifically claiming "studies are all fairly conclusive", which seemed like a unique situation for psychiatry so I thought maybe I could learn something...

Freud being wrong about something only tangentially related (what are the chances?) isn't a valid justification for prior restraint. If the work in question hasn't been shown to harm, there would be very little reason to censor it in USA.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Post by wallace_f » Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 6:49 AM UTC

lacampbell wrote: post #112

wallace_f wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you. I don't know why or how it came to be that diversity is the greatest virtue in Western society and every White Western country is being forced to take in so many that Whites will be a minority. Meanwhile an educated Chinese or Japanese citizen has an incredibly difficult challenge in legally migrating to America or Western Europe. What the fuck is going on here? I don't like bigotry, but this just d…

Sorry, what? I was talking about baking cakes. Did you mean to reply to someone else?

You don't see the connection? You were really talking about government mandates that: 'if you provide a service or product, you must perform the same service for everyone,' which typically fall under Equal Opportunity and Fair Housing laws(I believe?). I don't see the point in you being disingenuous here? Anyways, those laws protect diversity. Diversity is protected more than free speech. I don't know if that's the right priority. I just hold an opinion that fundamental human rights and liberties should be the primary role of government's use of their monopoly on violence.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Post by wallace_f » Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 7:48 AM UTC

up_so_floating wrote: post #111

wallace_f wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you. I don't know why or how it came to be that diversity is the greatest virtue in Western society and every White Western country is being forced to take in so many that Whites will be a minority. Meanwhile an educated Chinese or Japanese citizen has an incredibly difficult challenge in legally migrating to America or Western Europe. What the fuck is going on here? I don't like bigotry, but this just d…

When you criminalize a certain pattern of thought, it seems that its inverse will eventually get taken to the most extreme position.

That does appear to be the case

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Post by empressplay » Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 8:38 AM UTC

bidoof___ wrote: post #70

Disqus and social sign-on are the great cancer. Every local news site on the planet that outsources authentication to whoever's got a valid Facebook, Google+, Twitter, etc., is opening themselves to troll farms landsliding both opinions and values out of existence in favor of mindless repeatable bites, "the Sleeper Effect." This is twice as true of Twitter discussions. Hostile nations are employing legions of both pa…

It's a good thing all those Trump supporters were bots, if they had been real he might have got elected! (Oh, wait...)

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 8:38 AM UTC

bidoof___ wrote: post #70

Disqus and social sign-on are the great cancer. Every local news site on the planet that outsources authentication to whoever's got a valid Facebook, Google+, Twitter, etc., is opening themselves to troll farms landsliding both opinions and values out of existence in favor of mindless repeatable bites, "the Sleeper Effect." This is twice as true of Twitter discussions. Hostile nations are employing legions of both pa…

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Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Post by pjc50 » Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 10:37 AM UTC

vivekd wrote: post #95

mgkimsal wrote: post #76

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You're on to something, but even if the 'badness' on an individual basis is the same as 20 years ago, the volume has gone up more than linearly. As more people have joined and been able to find other like-minded folks, they've become emboldened to contribute more. And I don't think this has just happened in 'bad' communities - I've seen it happen in all sorts of communities - people connecting to other folks online h…

I think a big part of it is anonymity encourages people to let out the worst aspects of their personality. I think if a forum required people to use their real identities you would see much less objectionable contact (but probably also a lot less interesting ideas)

No, you'd see (as with youtube and G+) people putting out objectionable content under their own names. While genuinely vulnerable people would tend not to get involved for their own safety.

The problem is one of "lawlessness"; adhoc reprisals from your fellow netizens aren't an improvement.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Post by bidoof___ » Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 2:38 PM UTC

empressplay wrote: post #116

bidoof___ wrote: post #70

Disqus and social sign-on are the great cancer. Every local news site on the planet that outsources authentication to whoever's got a valid Facebook, Google+, Twitter, etc., is opening themselves to troll farms landsliding both opinions and values out of existence in favor of mindless repeatable bites, "the Sleeper Effect." This is twice as true of Twitter discussions. Hostile nations are employing legions of both pa…

It's a good thing all those Trump supporters were bots, if they had been real he might have got elected! (Oh, wait...)

You misunderstand the impact of social media marketing.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Post by sesqu » Mon, Jan 30, 2017, 2:59 PM UTC

bidoof___ wrote: post #70

Disqus and social sign-on are the great cancer. Every local news site on the planet that outsources authentication to whoever's got a valid Facebook, Google+, Twitter, etc., is opening themselves to troll farms landsliding both opinions and values out of existence in favor of mindless repeatable bites, "the Sleeper Effect." This is twice as true of Twitter discussions. Hostile nations are employing legions of both pa…

I don't think social sign-on is that big of a problem. It certainly makes it easier to comment on news stories, but if you're spending the effort to create thousands of social profiles already, what's a few more e-mail registrations using your Facebook email address?

You could restrict comments to subscribers, but that's anti-social to a degree that I expect is too severe for marketers.