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>Then, deploying the rhetorical jujitsu Frank Luntz was so successful at popularizing on the right, Trump co-opted the term. "Fake news" wasn't webspam sites filled with literal manufactured news having no connection to reality or for that matter physics, but instead any news a partisan disagreed with. No, the foodfight started when two things happened. Liberal pundits began blowing fake news' impact out of proportio…
It is, in fact, empirically a conservative problem: fakenews sites are something like 9-1 conservative. If you care to check (you can just take my word for it), I've been pushing back on the idea that Breitbart is fakenews, from the jump. I find Breitbart abhorrent, though. My conservative friends are sheepish about it. Do you get much value out of it? Could you explain it to me? I'm not a conservative, but I respect…
The Race to Weaponize Empathy
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Re: The Race to Weaponize Empathy
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It is, in fact, empirically a conservative problem: fakenews sites are something like 9-1 conservative. If you care to check (you can just take my word for it), I've been pushing back on the idea that Breitbart is fakenews, from the jump. I find Breitbart abhorrent, though. My conservative friends are sheepish about it. Do you get much value out of it? Could you explain it to me? I'm not a conservative, but I respect…
I'll focus on the second paragraph in this response. I find it depressing how partisan and tabloidy Breitbart is, and I'm therefore unsurprised that people like Ben Shapiro have denounced it. However, Breitbart presents an alternative to the mainstream media, which has developed such a pervasive bias that it no longer understands what fair reporting is. The conservative community realized the depth of this problem in…
For whatever it's worth: I'm Catholic, from an Irish and Eastern-European Catholic family in Chicago, and I am quite familiar with the activist pro-life movement. I respect it, though I do not admire or agree with it.
If you were going to characterize your view of conservativism in just a few bullets, how would you? (I could do that for my view of Democratic liberalism).
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It is, in fact, empirically a conservative problem: fakenews sites are something like 9-1 conservative. If you care to check (you can just take my word for it), I've been pushing back on the idea that Breitbart is fakenews, from the jump. I find Breitbart abhorrent, though. My conservative friends are sheepish about it. Do you get much value out of it? Could you explain it to me? I'm not a conservative, but I respect…
I'll focus on the second paragraph in this response. I find it depressing how partisan and tabloidy Breitbart is, and I'm therefore unsurprised that people like Ben Shapiro have denounced it. However, Breitbart presents an alternative to the mainstream media, which has developed such a pervasive bias that it no longer understands what fair reporting is. The conservative community realized the depth of this problem in…
Would you mind providing a reference for this?
Re: The Race to Weaponize Empathy
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It is, in fact, empirically a conservative problem: fakenews sites are something like 9-1 conservative. If you care to check (you can just take my word for it), I've been pushing back on the idea that Breitbart is fakenews, from the jump. I find Breitbart abhorrent, though. My conservative friends are sheepish about it. Do you get much value out of it? Could you explain it to me? I'm not a conservative, but I respect…
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if there's more conservative fake news, but remember that those lists showing a 9-1 balance are made by leftists whining about the election and trying to delegitimize its winner.
Since fakenews sites are principally stood up to make money for fraudsters and probably secondarily stood up to jam the election process by foreign governments (no serious supporter of Trump thinks a news site with stories about demon orgies is going to help the cause), the motives of the sites themselves are almost besides the point.
Re: The Race to Weaponize Empathy
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I'll focus on the second paragraph in this response. I find it depressing how partisan and tabloidy Breitbart is, and I'm therefore unsurprised that people like Ben Shapiro have denounced it. However, Breitbart presents an alternative to the mainstream media, which has developed such a pervasive bias that it no longer understands what fair reporting is. The conservative community realized the depth of this problem in…
a man who murdered an estimated hundreds of infants by snipping their spinal cords Would you mind providing a reference for this?
I agree that Gosnell got less coverage than it merited, although the motivation for that goes both ways: since a powerful majority of the country supports legal access to abortion, you could argue that Fox News avoided the story because it underscored the lack of availability of safe, ethical reproductive health services to the poor of this country, which is something the state-level Republican parties are campaigning against.
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a man who murdered an estimated hundreds of infants by snipping their spinal cords Would you mind providing a reference for this?
He's referring to Kermit Gosnell, a Philadelphia abortion doctor who ran an incredibly gruesome, dangerous, and unethical medical practice that apparently included "abortions" for viable infants; he basically built a practice that victimized poor residents of Philadelphia. I agree that Gosnell got less coverage than it merited, although the motivation for that goes both ways: since a powerful majority of the country…
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I'll focus on the second paragraph in this response. I find it depressing how partisan and tabloidy Breitbart is, and I'm therefore unsurprised that people like Ben Shapiro have denounced it. However, Breitbart presents an alternative to the mainstream media, which has developed such a pervasive bias that it no longer understands what fair reporting is. The conservative community realized the depth of this problem in…
a man who murdered an estimated hundreds of infants by snipping their spinal cords Would you mind providing a reference for this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Gosnell
Without being combatant: it's usually best to quickly use Wikipedia and a search engine before asking for a reference in cases like this.
Re: The Race to Weaponize Empathy
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He's referring to Kermit Gosnell, a Philadelphia abortion doctor who ran an incredibly gruesome, dangerous, and unethical medical practice that apparently included "abortions" for viable infants; he basically built a practice that victimized poor residents of Philadelphia. I agree that Gosnell got less coverage than it merited, although the motivation for that goes both ways: since a powerful majority of the country…
Ah. Thanks. I see the name mentioned upthread. I didn't make the connection to look him up.
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I'll focus on the second paragraph in this response. I find it depressing how partisan and tabloidy Breitbart is, and I'm therefore unsurprised that people like Ben Shapiro have denounced it. However, Breitbart presents an alternative to the mainstream media, which has developed such a pervasive bias that it no longer understands what fair reporting is. The conservative community realized the depth of this problem in…
What's the difference between neutered conservative thinking and full-throated conservative thinking? Is it mostly about being pro-life? For whatever it's worth: I'm Catholic, from an Irish and Eastern-European Catholic family in Chicago, and I am quite familiar with the activist pro-life movement. I respect it, though I do not admire or agree with it. If you were going to characterize your view of conservativism in…
I think that the populist conservatism I see and largely subscribe to has the following features:
* a concern with upholding abortion as a woman's right and morally unambiguous (this is a peripheral one but relevant to our discussion)
* a hatred of the New Left's hair trigger accusations of bigotry and hate speech, and the censorship that political correctness affords them
* a frustration with the denigration of Western society that is becoming the norm in our education system
* a deep-seated respect for the individual, his agency, and the importance that he take responsibility for his actions
* a recognition that much of the rest of the world doesn't like us and wants to eat our lunch not because we're bad people (i.e. not because we deserve it), but because that's how tribalism works
* a respect for cultural diversity in the sense that sovereign nations are entitled to do things differently (e.g. guns in America)
* a recognition that no matter how much the New Left bashes colorblindness, that's the only way a multiethnic society is ever going to function
* an appreciation of both masculinity and femininity, and a belief that modern feminism and gender theory is based heavily in man-hating and biological denialism
* a frustration with the increasing integration of iffy and controversial progressive goals into so many aspects of corporate and academic life, and a frustration with the hegemony that threatens our livelihoods and reputations if we question these goals
* a heavy suspicion that -- although most of us wish this weren't the case -- culture and genetics play a large role in the relative success of races
* a disappointment in the mainstream media for so thoroughly strawmanning and denigrating right-wing thinking that people are sheltered from basic facts of reality (e.g. the relative tolerance of the US, the senses in which transgenderism may be a mental illness or a symptom thereof, to give two randomly selected examples)
* a distaste for the fetishization of protest culture and the idea that any right-wing or traditionalist policymaking needs to be met with autistically shrieking hipsters and burning cars
* a preference for facts and logic over feelings when justifying beliefs
* a sense that "multiculturalism" often just means culturelessness, and that there is a real benefit to making sure people who immigrate are willing and able to integrate and arriving in small enough numbers to avoid major cultural disruption
* a concern with the absolutist and marauding culture of the Muslim world, its resistance to Westernization in Arab immigrants, and the New Left's refusal to acknowledge this problem
* and more
Hopefully that wasn't too long. I'm interested to see your list.
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What's the difference between neutered conservative thinking and full-throated conservative thinking? Is it mostly about being pro-life? For whatever it's worth: I'm Catholic, from an Irish and Eastern-European Catholic family in Chicago, and I am quite familiar with the activist pro-life movement. I respect it, though I do not admire or agree with it. If you were going to characterize your view of conservativism in…
I come from an immigrant Catholic background as well. Personally, I'm mildly pro-choice (I see first-trimester abortions as necessary but distasteful). I think that the populist conservatism I see and largely subscribe to has the following features: * a concern with upholding abortion as a woman's right and morally unambiguous (this is a peripheral one but relevant to our discussion) * a hatred of the New Left's hair…
As someone who falls in the middle on many issues, I've been saddened to see so many republicans deny the existence of global warming. On many issues that are hot topics in this country reasonable people can disagree, but on global warming the facts are very clear. If populist conservatism believes so strongly in the facts, why is there such a strong push to deny them in this very important case?