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New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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There are a number of questions that are probably answered behind the paywalled article... * In order to reproduce (and maintain the new bases in its DNA), does the organism need a source of these nucleotides in its growth medium? (i.e. in its food?) The alternative would be to produce them itself, but that would require scarily advanced genetic engineering, I think. * If one of these bases is in a gene, what happens…

I don't see a paywall.

Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was also part of the plot of the original Jurassic Park novel. The dinosaurs were [edit][edit]bred[/edit][/edit] with a need for lysine.

The dinosaurs were bread?? The film never showed the bakery!

Carbs kill.

Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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"create organisms with wholly unnatural attributes and traits not found elsewhere in nature" I'd argue that this shouldn't add anything categorically new, just like switching from 32 to 64 bit programs doesn't change the world.

This is less like 32bit to 64bit and more like moving from binary to trinary logic.

Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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Star Trek depicted one of the scarier applications of such a technology: There, The Jem'Hadaar are a genetically engineered race of warriors controlled by the Dominion, who exert power over them by being the sole provider of a substance (Ketracel-White) that they need in order to survive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_(Star_Trek) http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ketracel-white If my reading of the paper is…

I just watched an old X Files episode (season 1) apparently aliens have six base pairs.

I remember that gel! It turns out though that you would never be able to make that gel, because the distance those bands are from the top depends on being able to incorporate the six base pairs using your PCR, so the idea of banding with gaps doesn't make sense, instead you would have a traffic jam at the spot where there was an alien base pair.

Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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post #18

So 5 letter codes are all taken now?

How do you propose to make pairs out of an odd number? Each nucleotide binds to only one other nucleotide.

romesburg made 5 letter pairs, by allowing let's say a third one called "P" for no good reason, to do the following matches:

A:T T:A C:G G:C P:P

Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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post #26

Can the organism replicate the XY pairs during DNA replication (and pass it on to divided cells)? I haven't seen that mentioned, only that it "holds onto it for its entire lifespan" which is not clear to me. There's also nothing about the interaction of these pairs with existing mechanisms, like transcription (DNA-->RNA) and translation (RNA-->protein). Could the new new pair increase the space of aminoacids from whi…

The XY pairs are not replicated. To replicate them would require the presence of a slew of specialized proteins that can deal with XY pairs.

The achievement is that the E. Coli lifetime is not affected. The XY's are probably inserted in a part of the DNA that is not transcribed.

Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was also part of the plot of the original Jurassic Park novel. The dinosaurs were [edit][edit]bred[/edit][/edit] with a need for lysine.

bred* :)

Sunday morning and I have a strained relationship

Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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Star Trek depicted one of the scarier applications of such a technology: There, The Jem'Hadaar are a genetically engineered race of warriors controlled by the Dominion, who exert power over them by being the sole provider of a substance (Ketracel-White) that they need in order to survive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_(Star_Trek) http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ketracel-white If my reading of the paper is…

It's good as long self-termination is a nice-to-have feature. If you REALLY want them to self-terminate but you found out that they mutated and can now synthesize X & Y, you're in trouble.

Genetically modified organisms are a bit scary, but genetically modified organisms that replicate autonomously are more than a bit scary. As programmers - a profession that managed to spread Shellshock, the dumbest imaginable backdoor, so widely as to make much of human population vulnerable, we should understand this better than others. We have no idea what happens in our own code, code that we copy from place to place ourselves, written in languages we designed and running on machines we designed, and there's nothing like mutation and self-replication with this stuff, for the most part. I kinda doubt that biologists modifying "code" which is actually pretty large molecules existing and interacting in a 3D space with a lot of forces pulling and pushing things, and without the benefit of comments or design documents, can make something that can be trusted to autonomously replicate and gradually mutate.

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