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The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Sometimes I feel humanity does not deserve all the wonderful things that science and technology provides because people will find a bad use of it. Won't be surprised if someone creates a solar bomb.

The hydrogen bomb could be thought of as a solar bomb. The sun is made almost entirely of hydrogen.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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What I'm not clear on is why these mods had to look at all at some of these pictures and videos.

There are published hashes of files known to contain child porn and the like.

sha1sum matches? Bit length matches? Contact LEOs with relevant details, delete the post, block the accounts, and move on.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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post #4

> constant exposure to the worst of humanity on a daily basis takes an undeniable toll. This is one of the troubles police officers find in their daily work. When they are not part of the society where they work it is hard for them to empathize, as they just see the worst parts of that society. In the police case also to have members of the police that are part of the communities they serve. But counseling also is ne…

This is exactly why I wish we'd just hire more police so the existing ones can spend a shift a week doing positive community work. Helping folks, getting to know the 'normal' folks. This is when I get to the problem: I don't know what exactly I'd ask them to do, but it would be things like: Free (or very low cost) 2-hour windows of child care on the weekends to give parents a stress break, delivering hot food to elde…

That's a pretty good idea IMO. Give cops the same as Google's 20% time, to help with things that bug them (which probably also help the communities they're serving in).

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point it will be possible to create very realistic CP without using children. Actually it might already be possible to do that. One would have thought that would solve most of the problem: create "artificial" CP with strict controls to ensure children are not involved, and let the weirdos watch as much as they want. (Admittedly, there would still probably be some super-weirdos who would be totally turned off…

Because it normalizes that behavior, and may push some to act it out in real life.

I'd be curious to know of that's true. Japan has it everywhere and by everywhere I mean porn manga in every convenience store in the country of which about 3% depicts acts with children. Does Japan have a higher rate of real incidents? I have no idea. If we take violent media normalizes violence afaik we find the opposite. Violent media is up, actual violence is down.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Political censorship cleverly wrapped in a much more palatable package delivered to you for your acceptance.

The original theories of free speech included basically no censorship on the theory that the marketplace of ideas (along with backlash for non-anonymous awful statements) would lead us in the direction of the truth, or at least stability. It appears that the anonymity of the Internet combined with the echo chamber effect has pretty much completely ruined that.

I don't think it's ruined it at all. I think naive people just like living in a bubble and deplore the truth.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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post #65
post #57

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Pre- or beside-Internet, the days of FidoNet; the days of Usenet before its decadence; the days before Web 2.0; the days before business shifted from traditional forms to Internet; the days before smartphones, etc. There's no clear point, but when it was loosely "reserved" to a certain "elite" (financial, technical, cultural, scientific) which showed genuine interest in it, it was in a much better condition than now.…

The first time I got called a "troll" because someone disagreed with my criticism of a computer program was on FidoNet. That was probably over 20 years ago. I'm not sure it's got worse intrinsically, but it has certainly got larger , so the badness has scaled along with it.

You're on to something, but even if the 'badness' on an individual basis is the same as 20 years ago, the volume has gone up more than linearly. As more people have joined and been able to find other like-minded folks, they've become emboldened to contribute more. And I don't think this has just happened in 'bad' communities - I've seen it happen in all sorts of communities - people connecting to other folks online has seemed to have this multiplier effect all over.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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post #46
post #38

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"Often, the moderators are workers in developing countries, like the Philippines or India" It looks like those two countries do have a legal minimum wage [1], although it's pretty low - $0.28 for India, $0.61 for the Phillipines. No idea whether those numbers reflect living wages for those countries though, or what a content moderator might actually earn. [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/a-look-at-minimum-wages-aro…

If $.28 is really the minimum wage in India, then so much starts to make sense. No wonder that wild incompetence is the order of the day. I couldn't hire a kid to mow my lawn at that rate.

Keep in mind cost of living is lower.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point it will be possible to create very realistic CP without using children. Actually it might already be possible to do that. One would have thought that would solve most of the problem: create "artificial" CP with strict controls to ensure children are not involved, and let the weirdos watch as much as they want. (Admittedly, there would still probably be some super-weirdos who would be totally turned off…

This would effectively make child pornography "normal" (at least as normal as other extreme fetishes). Many people fear that that would lead to more pedophiles acting on their urges. Then again some think that readily available child porn could reduce cravings and reduce child molestation. I'm not sure if any actual studies exist that shed some light on that problem

Studies are all fairly conclusive: indulging in watching porn related to your paraphilia makes you want to act on that paraphilia. Suggesting otherwise is completely absurd.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point it will be possible to create very realistic CP without using children. Actually it might already be possible to do that. One would have thought that would solve most of the problem: create "artificial" CP with strict controls to ensure children are not involved, and let the weirdos watch as much as they want. (Admittedly, there would still probably be some super-weirdos who would be totally turned off…

Because it normalizes that behavior, and may push some to act it out in real life.

Is this different from other forms of violence ? For example I have been shooting enemies in videogames for more than 20 years, yet I don't feel the urge to shoot anybody in real life.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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post #66

Instead of inflicting PTSD on content moderators, why not give the job to someone who actually wants to see this type of content? They must exist, otherwise the content wouldn't spread in the first place. And/or crowdsource it so that more people are spending less time doing it? Viewing a little bit of this content is probably less traumatic than viewing it for 40 hours a week. Of course I realize it'd probably be a…

Your idea is bad, but needs only a slight modification to work. Instead of giving the moderation task to those who are sensitive to the material, find people who are not so sensitive. Like we can't all tolerate the sight of blood, but some people can deal with it. Doesn't mean they need to be Dexter, but they might have a high tolerance to blood and dead bodies, as medical professionals often do. Everyone is responsi…

There are many people who struggled for a long time to find their current job, and feel like it would be impossible to find another now. It would be extra difficult to find the strength to hunt for jobs when your current one is giving you depression and PTSD.
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