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Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by pikzen »

benchaney wrote: post #48
kungfooguru wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it undermines the strike. Strikes are supposed to disrupt.

Strikes are intended to disrupt. They are not entitled to disrupt. There is a huge difference.

In most professions, there's a feeling of unity. Taxi companies and drivers will either stand with striking drivers, or be respectful enough to not disrupt their action.

Then comes Uber, the vulture that swoops in all in the name of disrupting the market. They're allowed to do it, sure. Whether it's morally right is another thing.

Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by ajamesm »

jonlucc wrote: post #41
ajamesm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$1M just got them the best PR campaign they could have hoped for.

Exactly; I've just installed the app now. I don't use Uber a ton, so it won't be a big hit, but I will certainly try Lyft first.

There are ridesharing apps that integrate with local taxi fleets, too! I heard of Curb and Flywheel, which I'm going to try out soon.

Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by anjc »

facetube wrote: post #40
koolba wrote: post #6

Why is a company that is losing money and having what's left of their lunch taken by a gorilla of a competitor (Uber) throwing away $1M like this? If I were an investor in Lyft I'd sue them.

They are meeting their moral obligation.

What moral obligation?

Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by tomjen3 »

grzm wrote: post #97
tomjen3 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. This is a tech forum and this doesn't belong here, just like whatever Googles CEO had for breakfast doesn't belong here.

If you feel the submission is inappropriate, please flag it and move on.

Thats not likely to get it removed.

Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by icebraining »

scarmig wrote: post #53
inverse_pi wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get it. How about other people that were not part of the protest and were trying to get home/get to the airport? How about the Uber drivers trying to make a living? Just because they were not part of your protest you'll give them hate?

Question: during the Civil Rights movement, people of all sorts disrupted white people just trying to eat breakfast; just trying to get an education; just trying to get to work. Is that "giving them hate"? Should MLK have made fastidiously sure to go to cordoned off areas where no one would have been inconvenienced in the slightest?

The question asked wasn't whether the Civil Rights protesters shouldn't have inconvenienced people. It's whether a company should force its workers to join a protest.

Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by tptacek »

MichaelBurge wrote: post #89
facetube wrote: post #7

Donald Trump is being powered by conspiracy theorist Steve Bannon, the "Breitbart News" head and board member of Cambridge Analytica, an analytics firm that used psychological profiling to cynically exploit the American electorate. Despite his inexperience and stated desire to "blow things up", he was appointed to an influential national security position, over the Joint Chiefs of Staff [1]. This is an existential th…

Your comment is nothing but alarmist rhetoric. I mean, each sentence is specifically engineered to be as negative-sounding as you can make it. People don't usually do that, even with actual dictators. > being powered by Donald Trump needs a supernatural explanation, presumably because you think he's incompetent. At the least, you're saying he can't do what he's doing by himself. > conspiracy theorist Steve Bannon The…

His comment is rhetorically partisan, but you haven't come close to establishing with evidence that it's "alarmist". I'd direct your attention to Eliot Cohen's essay in The Atlantic from this morning:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/a-clari...

Cohen is no liberal; he cofounded PNAC and served as a deputy under Rice in the Bush administration. And his take on Trump's last week is even more urgent than the parent comment's.

It is in fact not normal at all for the President's "chief strategist" --- an informal, non-confirmable role, created to house someone who stood a decent chance of washing out of Senate confirmation --- to replace the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the Secretary of Energy, and the Director of National Intelligence on the NSC PC.

Someone watching this unfold dispassionately might be forgiven for coming to the conclusion that Bannon is there because he doesn't trust Trump alone in a room by himself with a bunch of actual adults; Trump is, as has been reported for over a decade, famously impressionable.

Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by pikzen »

benchaney wrote: post #58
Pfhreak wrote: post #2

Uber undermining the taxi strike [1] yesterday was pretty visible -- at least in my social circle here in Seattle -- and when Lyft made this announcement we all deleted our Uber accounts. Will that have a material impact on anyone's bottom line? Who knows, but I'd love to see the graphs for new account signups/account deletions. [1] Taxis were not servicing JFK in support of those who were being detained there.

So protesters are entitled to hold people hostage for an arbitrary amount of time, just because they are unhappy? Give me a break.

Yes. You've realized the point of a strike. You may also notice that they usually don't happen too often because the goal is to make you realize that either their current situation isn't livable anymore, or because there's a message to be spread. Do it too often and people turn against the protesters.

It lasted one hour. Get over it. Social change doesn't happen without inconvenience.

Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by benchaney »

GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #99
benchaney wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So protesters are entitled to hold people hostage for an arbitrary amount of time, just because they are unhappy? Give me a break.

Freedom of assembly is a hell of a thing.

You seemed to have missed the point. They are free to assemble, but I see no reason why it is wrong for someone else to help the people getting screwed by a protest.

Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by zerdmann »

I think instead of commending Lyft for what could be seen as marketing (they also did not stand in solidarity with the JFK strike, we should be discussing ways that ride-sharing technology can be used to support unionized drivers. I admittedly don't know much about the details, but apps like Curb http://gocurb.com/ at least claim to be working with licensed cabbies. I'd love more information on alternatives to the big ride-sharing apps that are more overtly focused on workers rights, instead of calling a fleet of contractors "disruptive."
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