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New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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> "The other reason we don't need to be freaking out, says Romesberg, is that these molecules have not been designed to work at all in complex organisms, and seeing as they're like nothing found in nature, there's little chance that this could get wildly out of hand." This is how the plot of every horror/disaster movie starts.

> This is how the plot of every horror/disaster movie starts. Because its a trope. Can you explain how it gets wildly out of hand beyond speculation?

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Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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> "The other reason we don't need to be freaking out, says Romesberg, is that these molecules have not been designed to work at all in complex organisms, and seeing as they're like nothing found in nature, there's little chance that this could get wildly out of hand." This is how the plot of every horror/disaster movie starts.

That's true. I also noticed that whenever I see a helicopter on a screen, the chances of it not crashing or getting shot down are slim. So in order to protect us from getting whiped out by rogue bacteria from a research lab we MUST ban disaster movies NOW!

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Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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> "The other reason we don't need to be freaking out, says Romesberg, is that these molecules have not been designed to work at all in complex organisms, and seeing as they're like nothing found in nature, there's little chance that this could get wildly out of hand." This is how the plot of every horror/disaster movie starts.

I'm no expert, but aren't there non-complex organisms and structures that are pretty dangerous? "Brain Eating Amoeba", Prions, and so forth...

Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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> "The other reason we don't need to be freaking out, says Romesberg, is that these molecules have not been designed to work at all in complex organisms, and seeing as they're like nothing found in nature, there's little chance that this could get wildly out of hand." This is how the plot of every horror/disaster movie starts.

Welcome, to Jurassic Park!

Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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Definitely interesting work, and some very clever solutions to difficult problems, but to be clear, they only had a single unnatural base pair, and it was only in a plasmid. Addressing the other comments about this leading to some crazy scifi scenario, imagine telling someone you used machine learning to identify spam emails and they started freaking out about how you're going to start Skynet. If you understand how t…

Then again, nobody knows how skynet will get started. If it does happen, you can be sure it'll be done by someone who is sure that things just don't work that way, right up to the moment they are crushed by a giant metal boot.

Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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There are a number of questions that are probably answered behind the paywalled article...

* In order to reproduce (and maintain the new bases in its DNA), does the organism need a source of these nucleotides in its growth medium? (i.e. in its food?) The alternative would be to produce them itself, but that would require scarily advanced genetic engineering, I think.

* If one of these bases is in a gene, what happens during mRNA transcription? Total failure?

Point 1 at least should more-or-less ensure this can't escape the lab.

Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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Star Trek depicted one of the scarier applications of such a technology: There, The Jem'Hadaar are a genetically engineered race of warriors controlled by the Dominion, who exert power over them by being the sole provider of a substance (Ketracel-White) that they need in order to survive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_(Star_Trek) http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ketracel-white If my reading of the paper is…

That was also part of the plot of the original Jurassic Park novel. The dinosaurs were [edit][edit]bred[/edit][/edit] with a need for lysine.

Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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It would be really cool, once the new base pairs code for something, to see whether this increases evolutionary fitness.

I'm not at all sure whether or not denser information and thus bigger-step mutations are evolutionary advantageous.

Re: New organisms have been formed using the first ever 6-letter genetic code

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Definitely interesting work, and some very clever solutions to difficult problems, but to be clear, they only had a single unnatural base pair, and it was only in a plasmid. Addressing the other comments about this leading to some crazy scifi scenario, imagine telling someone you used machine learning to identify spam emails and they started freaking out about how you're going to start Skynet. If you understand how t…

Software systems are relatively predictable, and built on mathematical models and rules that we designed. Even so, there are still many negative unforeseen consequences of their operation.

Biological systems are relatively unpredictable, and based on rules that we didn't design and cannot begin to claim we fully understand.

Your analogy therefore strongly predicts negative unforeseen consequences.

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