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The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Political censorship cleverly wrapped in a much more palatable package delivered to you for your acceptance.

Yes, in the same way that not inviting a neo-nazi or an anarcho-syndicalist, or a vegan, to talk on your radio programme is political censorship. Private people and organizations are well within their rights to set their own rules. If you want no moderation that's your choice, go to 4chan or a similar site.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Are there any projects working to automate the identification of offensive material with Machine Vision or Machine Learning? Replacing these peoples' jobs with computers might actually be a humane act.

There's this by Yahoo: https://github.com/yahoo/open_nsfw

> For this reason, the model we describe below focuses only on one type of NSFW content: pornographic images.

It tries to detect a subset of pornography. Others may have different opinions, but personally I wouldn't relate porn to a category of "worst of humanity".

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

#33

Political censorship cleverly wrapped in a much more palatable package delivered to you for your acceptance.

Yes, in the same way that not inviting a neo-nazi or an anarcho-syndicalist, or a vegan, to talk on your radio programme is political censorship. Private people and organizations are well within their rights to set their own rules. If you want no moderation that's your choice, go to 4chan or a similar site.

There's moderation (bans for being off topic, bating, coordinated websit raiding, NSFW in the wrong place, etc)

But yeah, there's less in the way of censorship. The odd moderator with an agenda still sneaks in, but they seem to get outed.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's this by Yahoo: https://github.com/yahoo/open_nsfw

> For this reason, the model we describe below focuses only on one type of NSFW content: pornographic images. It tries to detect a subset of pornography. Others may have different opinions, but personally I wouldn't relate porn to a category of "worst of humanity".

Good point, I guess detecting something as e.g. showing child abuse would be much more difficult.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

#35

Political censorship cleverly wrapped in a much more palatable package delivered to you for your acceptance.

Yes, in the same way that not inviting a neo-nazi or an anarcho-syndicalist, or a vegan, to talk on your radio programme is political censorship. Private people and organizations are well within their rights to set their own rules. If you want no moderation that's your choice, go to 4chan or a similar site.

[Edit: parent was edited, I was replying to a house example] Not exactly. The comparision doesn't account for scale, and in case of largest platforms (like Facebook) it's more like "leave our country bloc"... except for such comparisions are probably a bad idea, because there are always too many differences that break them.

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But parent comment has a point anyway. Political censorship had (ab)used moderation systems in that way, at the very least in some countries. It's not unheard of cases of censorship slipping under disguise of "protecting from bad/unhealthy things". I can think of a few examples from Russia.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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> The sad fact is that the internet has gradually become a shithole as the entirety of humanity has joined in. In what year do you feel the Internet was better than it is now?

1974 or few years after, maybe? After that a law of large numbers must've kicked in (and I don't think human nature had changed any much in last 3-4 decades).

http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/September-that-never-ended...

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, in the same way that not inviting a neo-nazi or an anarcho-syndicalist, or a vegan, to talk on your radio programme is political censorship. Private people and organizations are well within their rights to set their own rules. If you want no moderation that's your choice, go to 4chan or a similar site.

[Edit: parent was edited, I was replying to a house example] Not exactly. The comparision doesn't account for scale, and in case of largest platforms (like Facebook) it's more like "leave our country bloc"... except for such comparisions are probably a bad idea, because there are always too many differences that break them. ----- But parent comment has a point anyway. Political censorship had (ab)used moderation syst…

Yes, apologies for that, I changed it a few minutes after posting to be more constructive/reasonable, the original comment was flamebait on reflection.

Facebook shouldn't be some kind of universal substrate on the internet anyway. Alternatives should be encouraged, and people can make their own choice about the kind of environment they want to spend their time in.

If you're saying that's impossible, and facebook is some sort of utility, or common carrier, then you can have rights which are enforced upon the space.

Ultimately, either it is a public space (which needs public rights analogous to what exists in the real world, enforced through constitutional or democratic means) or it is a private space, and the owners are free to regulate as they wish, and customers are free to make their own decisions, where to visit and where to spend their time.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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Dare I guess that these people generally get paid minimum wage? > Tech companies don’t like to talk about the details of content moderation, so it’s difficult to judge how well they’re caring for the psychological health of moderators. The number of such stories which include said companies declining comment (not this one, but anecdotally that's how it seems to be) is kind of a red flag though.

  "Often, the moderators are workers in developing countries, like the Philippines or India"
It looks like those two countries do have a legal minimum wage [1], although it's pretty low - $0.28 for India, $0.61 for the Phillipines. No idea whether those numbers reflect living wages for those countries though, or what a content moderator might actually earn.

[1] http://www.businessinsider.com/a-look-at-minimum-wages-aroun...

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

#39

The internet is a voluntary vice used by some to earn a living. It's not food, shelter, clothing AND the internet. Staying away from the internet is the next health craze.

Maybe. It's also so crucial to so many careers that you need to be in a pretty special place to pull that off constantly, along with all the money it takes to entertain yourself sans internet.

Re: The Human Toll of Protecting the Internet from the Worst of Humanity

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post #21

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I don't feel that the second paragraph is realistic. But where to start in explaining why? Cop life is so complex that a weekly home economics shift isn't going to repair relationships, normalize psyches or adjust attitudes. There's a depth of behavioral psychology to this problem that extends well beyond imagining a one-size-fits all therapy plan. This can't be approached from the perspective of an outsider's view o…

It's complex enough that the etiology might well be rooted in our entire culture. There are movements of people trying to approach the problem at that level. Their goal is to destigmatize pain, attack anti-pessimism, etc.

This sounds fascinating but I have no idea what it means. Could you point me someplace where I could learn more about it?
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