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Re: Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change

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Post by toyg »

webreac wrote: post #48

I think that a key explanation of Oracle success is that the complexity of their database administration has created a generation of full time jobs: DBA. These people are like salesman working for Oracle to defend the future of their job. They are well paid, but this cost nothing to Oracle. At the opposite, Oracle can sell training.

Most of these jobs are offshored now, so it's not as relevant a factor as you think. What is relevant is the amount of business applications and solutions built on the database, that took years to develop and would cost a fortune to replace.

Re: Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change

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Post by jay-saint »

throw2016 wrote: post #88

Oracle now owns a huge chunk of the enteprise space. They already had a significant base with their database and ERP and CRM apps. Apart from that the large multi-billion dollar acqusitions of BEA, PeopleSoft, Siebel, Netsuite and a near endless multitude of others have left them with tens of millions of high paying and locked in customers in the enteprise space.

The acquisition of NetSuite is helping them move into the midmarket. Snapping up growing companies as they outgrow Quickbooks and hopping they keep growing.

Re: Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change

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Post by nolok »

mailslot wrote: post #93
mschuster91 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was always a Sybase and DB/2 guy myself, but Oracle could do things. Things Sybase couldn't be tuned for. You don't put Wordpress on Oracle. You do crazy insane shit on it that will break MySQL. I'd highly doubt that there's something one can do with Oracle that couldn't be done with a FOSS database - although it's certainly true that it requires more servers but servers are a commodity these days anyway. What's…

SAP bought Sybase. It's the parent of MSSQL, by Microsoft. Look, free databases are great, they just can't compete for real serious use. Not WordPress. More like NYSE.

While I mostly agree with the general point you're making, please do not confuse one particular kind of heavy work with the much more general "real serious use".

Random case in point NASA is using pgsql for handling data streams from several of their probes, is that not real serious use ?

Re: Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change

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Post by throwaway-2013 »

I think the days of "no one ever gets fired for buying oracle" are over.

CIO at a company we consult for was recently fired. Or rather made to resign.

In the last few years the cio changed almost the entire businesses enterprise systems to oracle covering.

HR, performance management, reporting, data warehousing, sales, ecommerce, repairs, document management

This has effectively allowed the consulting company and oracle to fleece the business and hold them at Randsom putting the company under tremendous risk.

We have been called in to untangle the mess.

To give you an idea millions have been spent to build an ecommerce portal with sales in the 1000's. The ROI will probably take years To be realized.

Some of the challenges dealing with the mess of a complete oracle stack:

- typical people who specialize in oracle solutions are just that. Specialist in the solution not developers.

- Unless you are using one of the more popular products. Finding information is practically impossible compare the google search for magneto vs oracle atg

- you cannot easily transition a competent developer to oracle tools due to the complexity

- some of the tools are complex for reasons I fail to understand simple things take a long time to achieve. Maybe hard things are easier but I have yet to see this

- they encourage bad practices, everything goes in the db including HTML templates the works.

Re: Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

pjmlp wrote: post #86
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but I think you may be underestimating the need for a public company to grow in order to survive in its current form. Relentlessly squeezing existing customers that have no way out will only get you so far.

I do enterprise consulting, all these licensing costs are usually a small footnote in overall project costs.

I don't think that says a whole lot about Oracle's growth opportunities as everyone moves to the cloud.

Direct licensing costs are not all that matters. The restrictions on architectural choices and the uncertainty created by these complex licensing structures could hurt them a lot more.

Re: Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change

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Post by benchaney »

cm2187 wrote: post #2

But hyper threading doesn't really double the performance of the CPU, I understood it's a marginal improvement. It seems odd to double the cost of the license if hyper threading is switched on.

True. I was pondering the trade off of switching off hyperthreading on AWS because of this.

Re: Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change

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Post by Spooky23 »

throwaway-2013 wrote: post #104

I think the days of "no one ever gets fired for buying oracle" are over. CIO at a company we consult for was recently fired. Or rather made to resign. In the last few years the cio changed almost the entire businesses enterprise systems to oracle covering. HR, performance management, reporting, data warehousing, sales, ecommerce, repairs, document management This has effectively allowed the consulting company and ora…

I agree... it's a nightmare. Look at the Oracle Identity suite. It's a mess, crazy disjointed collection of SOA apps to spin up user accounts for god sakes.

Some friends are working on a project with these tools... they are a couple of years in and don't have password reset fully implemented yet, and cannot come up with a date for implementation.

With a commercial product like Microsoft ILM/FIM, a team of 3-4 people could meet 90% of project objectives in 90 days with 90% less spend. The other 10% would require some product evals or tool building.

Re: Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change

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Post by sllabres »

giis wrote: post #25
Joeri wrote: post #19

Oracle is making a big push to move customers from aws and azure to their own cloud hosting. https://www.oracle.com/corporate/pressrelease/global-region-... Raising prices for hosting with the competitor makes perfect sense when viewed from that angle.

Remember, Oracle also forced 'Redhat' customers (who rely on Oracle DB) to their Linux in similar manner. Now I wonder BTRFS is not getting enough attention, because its started by Oracle and their history with open-source?

Not an expert in Oracle DB licensing. Could you explain?

Re: Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

syshum wrote: post #99
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but I think you may be underestimating the need for a public company to grow in order to survive in its current form. Relentlessly squeezing existing customers that have no way out will only get you so far.

Worked for Microsoft for Decades, They also found a new way to apply that same model with 0365 and their continual effort to add new features that only cost a "few dollars more per user per month" Squeezing locked in customers is the Enterprise Software way... all of them do it.

>Squeezing locked in customers is the Enterprise Software way

No doubt about that, but for basic infrastructure like DBMSs the customer of the future will be another tech company. Try extracting the same margins for a database system from, say, Airbnb or Uber as from a mid-sized bank founded in 1888.

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