This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…
DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders
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Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders
#32We now have a government agency publicly disregarding an injunction by the Federal courts. This is bad. This goes far beyond this specific issue (which, while nasty, affects relatively few people). This sets a fucking awful precedent. This cannot be allowed to happen. I would love to see everyone violating this injunction (and ordering others to do so) be put in jail, just as if I or anyone else were to violate such…
> The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders; Think you might've read over that
That is one sentence in an order in which almost every other sentence contradicts it.
EDIT: I'm not sure who they are trying to speak to here, are they admitting they will follow the judicial order? Clearly to most people here, we are interpreting it as not following the order because the hint of "following judicial orders" is relegated to the end. The opening of the statement (first sentence) is:
>The Department of Homeland Security will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people.
There, in the emphasis added by me, was a chance to mention the judicial order; they could have tacked "while respecting judicial orders" at the end of that sentence, and their intention would be clear, and that would set the tone of the rest of the order.
The reason I mention who their audience is because if it addressed is to those against the ban, then it doesn't do its job as it comes off as oppositional. If it's to save face with those for the ban, then yes, leaving that till the end does make sense. Perhaps that's why it is written this way?
Regardless, over analysing this seems unhelpful, I'm sure by tomorrow morning, their intention will be clear.
Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders
#33This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…
Again, I will point out that the article linked to here says they will ALSO continue to comply with all judicial orders. Read carefully.
Really, the entire statement isn't that exciting, it just says "Agency will continue to follow legal structure of government as all agencies do." Mostly it's just an attempt to reassure people that things aren't as out of hand as they seem.
Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders
#34"No foreign national in a foreign land, without ties to the United States, has any unfettered right to demand entry into the United States"-- how about those with green cards and visas that we are already gave the right to live here to?
Unfortunately only citizenship guarantees entry. Visas and green cards are more like guidelines. Very strong guidelines, but guidelines non-the-less.
Only a DHS agent can grant entry to non-citizens. On a case by case basis.
I imagine the questions are going to get harder. No more easy peasy things like "Where do you work?", "Why are you coming?", "Are you staying?".
Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders
#35This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…
Congress has given the Executive broad powers to control immigration from countries. Please explain how a coup d'etat is happening. Obama bombed many of these countries and killed citizens of them, but I don't remember that being a scandal.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting that they finally gave a scope to the people impacted. 3200 people doesn't seem like chump change to me. And I guess deporting people is the most enhanced security measure of them all. If we could deport everyone that lives in the US, I bet security would be pretty tight.
Where 3200 people comes from?
An approximation of "less than one percent of the more than 325,000", which I would add is an extremely vague statement on their part.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders; Think you might've read over that
It seems to be meaningless since it is stated in a message which is _specifically_ announcing that the DHS is ignoring a court order.
I couldn't find any mention of announcing that DHS is ignoring the court order in the message. Could you quote where it _specifically_ says so? I mean not you interpret its meaning as such, but it _specifically_ says these _specific_ words?
Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders; Think you might've read over that
It seems to be meaningless since it is stated in a message which is _specifically_ announcing that the DHS is ignoring a court order.
Can you point me to the sentence that says they're ignoring the court order?
I think the intended interpretation of this seems pretty clear, maybe it's just me, but they seem to be saying "We will continue to enforce executive order minus any vetoes or alterations issued by courts." As you would expect them to.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders; Think you might've read over that
Except reports are: they _aren't_ complying, and are being told not to comply. This press release is words, not actions.
"Reports are" is rather vague. Which reports are about this non-compliance, in which form they are not complying?
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#40This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…
The ball now is in the Judiciary's court. If this dept goes rogue, they should intervene and make some arrests for people violating the court orders and laws.
This looks day after day like a classical far-right takeover of the govt and people in the US should be really alarmed by these developments.