This is a really nice analysis, but I'm wondering if GPA is the right metric to optimize for. It's good to have a high GPA, but is it worth it to structure your leisure, sleep, and dating patterns around it? I'm doing something similar, but I record at the end of the day how happy I am, and analyze how different things affect my happiness.
Education at this level is a "who can survive the most unpleasantness" competition. High school students work their asses off to get into highly selective colleges. Highly selective college students work their assess off to get into highly selective grad schools or employers (investment banking, consulting, prestigious tech companies). Students of highly selective grad schools work their asses off to get into the van…
A college student’s individual analysis of productivity of four years (2016)
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Re: A college student’s individual analysis of productivity of four years (2016)
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Education at this level is a "who can survive the most unpleasantness" competition. High school students work their asses off to get into highly selective colleges. Highly selective college students work their assess off to get into highly selective grad schools or employers (investment banking, consulting, prestigious tech companies). Students of highly selective grad schools work their asses off to get into the van…
What a shitty system
Re: A college student’s individual analysis of productivity of four years (2016)
#13This is a really nice analysis, but I'm wondering if GPA is the right metric to optimize for. It's good to have a high GPA, but is it worth it to structure your leisure, sleep, and dating patterns around it? I'm doing something similar, but I record at the end of the day how happy I am, and analyze how different things affect my happiness.
Education at this level is a "who can survive the most unpleasantness" competition. High school students work their asses off to get into highly selective colleges. Highly selective college students work their assess off to get into highly selective grad schools or employers (investment banking, consulting, prestigious tech companies). Students of highly selective grad schools work their asses off to get into the van…
This is brilliant. It sums up my feelings about education so succinctly. I'm stealing this.
Re: A college student’s individual analysis of productivity of four years (2016)
#14I think this record of academic performance speaks more about the individual rather than the "usual suspect" correlations. For instance, she clearly is the type of student that meets a challenge head on (by coming back from a poor midterm) - which would negate the correlation between time spent studying and GPA (more time spent to just recover a grade). She also did not say whether worst test scores are dropped and h…
In terms of test scores, there definitely were a couple of classes in which my tests were dropped--but only 1-2 of them. I embarrassingly exercised 27.5 hours in college...not something I'm proud of, and I decided not to include it in this analysis since the numbers weren't high enough and I didn't do this as consistently enough to warrant any sort of meaningful correlation. I did live in Berkeley and it was pretty hilly so I definitely found ways to keep myself active! I also did track my weight and used a Fitbit for two semesters, so perhaps I could add something about that in the future :)
Re: A college student’s individual analysis of productivity of four years (2016)
#15Right now I'm at New Jersey Institute of Technology. I am in the Ying Wu college of computing science. After this semester (at the start of the third year) I will have no more computer science classes I need to take for my degree. I personally believe I am very competent with the skills required to be a computer scientist in the real world (Software engineering, system design, managing, etc).
The remaining classes I have are as follows.
* "Software Architecture" where you don't actually need to write software. I think you just learn about PHP or something from what a friend told me. (One of my professors said you didn't need to write any code for the class)
* Proofs where you just learn discrete math.
* Calc 1, 2, Linear, Diff EQ (in that order)
* Physics 1 & 2
* ~ 2 hum classes
* 2 PE classes
* 4 Non-CS courses in lower level (easier like EE100) and upper level (harder EE300) course numbers
The only CS related thing I need to do is my senior project which is just to write some software and hand it in with a write up. This will be very easy for me. I'm not going to name names but one of my friends who did this submitted something that I was able to write in a weekend. Theirs was less polished and broke during the presentation (mine is still running). Their write up was good though. So they passed and got their degree.I've basically got a laundry list of projects on my github page of projects I've done that would work as a senior project (let alone what I've been writing for the research group I'm working for).
I've also TA'd for a CS class here. Both times my class was in the top 10% scoring similarly to the honors sections. Not all my work but I like to think my explanations of the topics helped.
So why am I still here? Why do I need those check boxes? I'm basically stuck doing BS that I suck at because they want me to be "well rounded". I don't think that's 1) a reasonable goal to expect, 2) what college is for, 3) what im paying for.
The reason I have to take calc 1 and physics 1 still is because I failed my first year. Only those too classes. Even with 2 Fs on my transcript my CS classes kept my GPA at a ~2.9. Funnily enough I'm working in the physics department writing software for physics PhDs and talking with them on a reasonable level of understanding about their research even though I couldn't pass Physics 1. I'm also the treasurer for the Ham radio club (I'm KD2JAO and I'll be at Dayton or wherever this next hamfest). I have a pretty ok understanding of propegation and radio and I'm currently studying for my general. But I couldn't pass Physics 1.
Why? I think a large amount of reasons.
The first and most prominent one is I don't care about what was taught. It was all projectile motion which is asinine and boring.
Second was I have a life and other classes I cared about that were far more interested. I could either do well in my classes I liked or do meh in all my classes. I also had a lot of family troubles (death, divorce, moving, etc)
The final is more technical and out of scope for this conversation.
If we removed unimportant classes from the curriculum we wouldn't have this "I never get to sleep BS" and the times you would loose sleep would be because you love what you're working on. (I stayed awake in bed staring at my cieling some nights thinking of better solutions to my CS programming assignments assignment)
Re: A college student’s individual analysis of productivity of four years (2016)
#16I think a but source of this issue is the house amount of unrelated classes I must take in college. I'm very lazy when it comes to things I have absolutely no interest in. I think I can provide some useful insight. Right now I'm at New Jersey Institute of Technology. I am in the Ying Wu college of computing science. After this semester (at the start of the third year) I will have no more computer science classes I ne…
Thus the Computer Science zeitgeist as a whole becomes this unholy combination of academic things relevant to computer science and practical things relevant to software engineering, instead of actually focusing on computer science and having a separate 2-year program for software engineers.
Re: A college student’s individual analysis of productivity of four years (2016)
#17I think a but source of this issue is the house amount of unrelated classes I must take in college. I'm very lazy when it comes to things I have absolutely no interest in. I think I can provide some useful insight. Right now I'm at New Jersey Institute of Technology. I am in the Ying Wu college of computing science. After this semester (at the start of the third year) I will have no more computer science classes I ne…
I think the bigger problem here is employers requiring 4-year Computer Science degrees when they don't actually want computer scientists , they want software engineers . Thus the Computer Science zeitgeist as a whole becomes this unholy combination of academic things relevant to computer science and practical things relevant to software engineering, instead of actually focusing on computer science and having a separa…
Software engineering isn't so simple as to only have 2 years of course material. There's actually a lifetime of lessons to be learned but I think settling for a four year degree is a happy medium.
Re: A college student’s individual analysis of productivity of four years (2016)
#18This is a really nice analysis, but I'm wondering if GPA is the right metric to optimize for. It's good to have a high GPA, but is it worth it to structure your leisure, sleep, and dating patterns around it? I'm doing something similar, but I record at the end of the day how happy I am, and analyze how different things affect my happiness.
Even though there's a huge negative correlation between activities and grades in my data, doesn't mean that I would sacrifice the time I spent on activities just so that I could get the "better grade". My jobs and student orgs made my experience, and I would still spend time on it again even if my grades suffer.
That sounds like a really good project! Would love to compare notes and read about your results if you make it public somewhere!
Re: A college student’s individual analysis of productivity of four years (2016)
#19This is a really nice analysis, but I'm wondering if GPA is the right metric to optimize for. It's good to have a high GPA, but is it worth it to structure your leisure, sleep, and dating patterns around it? I'm doing something similar, but I record at the end of the day how happy I am, and analyze how different things affect my happiness.
Education at this level is a "who can survive the most unpleasantness" competition. High school students work their asses off to get into highly selective colleges. Highly selective college students work their assess off to get into highly selective grad schools or employers (investment banking, consulting, prestigious tech companies). Students of highly selective grad schools work their asses off to get into the van…
Not necessarily true. I never worked hard at anything in high school, and was accepted by several ivy league colleges. My experience was not unusual. I did not work all that hard in college, but was accepted at Stanford for grad school.
(I averaged maybe 30-40hrs a week on schoolwork in college, leaving plenty of time for other activities.)
There were some who did work their asses off, but they were in the minority and I felt rather sorry for them. Either they were working inefficiently, or just weren't cut out for that career path. It'd be like me trying to be a pro athlete. I could work my ass off, and never get anywhere, as I have worse than no aptitude for it.
Some also did no perceptible work and got straight As. I was a bit envious of them :-) they were amazing people.
Re: A college student’s individual analysis of productivity of four years (2016)
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Education at this level is a "who can survive the most unpleasantness" competition. High school students work their asses off to get into highly selective colleges. Highly selective college students work their assess off to get into highly selective grad schools or employers (investment banking, consulting, prestigious tech companies). Students of highly selective grad schools work their asses off to get into the van…
What a shitty system