Time to Take a Stand • Hacker News Board

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#11

Post by jowiar » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 6:58 PM UTC

This is meaningless grandstanding until:

1) YC voted Thiel off the island 2) YC establishes a policy of "take money from Thiel and you are toxic to us"

Anyone in a position of power who took a look at Trump and didn't recoil with disgust needs to be exiled from civil society.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#12

Post by mcenedella » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 6:58 PM UTC

"The executive order… is tantamount to a Muslim ban" isn't quite true.

Islam by country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

1. Indonesia

2. Pakistan

3. India

4. Bangladesh

5. Nigeria

6. Iran

7. Turkey

8. Egypt

9. Algeria

10. Sudan

It's probably not a great tactic to perpetuate the American habit for making sweeping comments about the rest of the world which aren't really grounded in truth. Might be best to be scrupulously fact-based on these matters.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#13

Post by leesalminen » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 6:58 PM UTC

SamReidHughes wrote: post #6

Is targeting religious groups in refugee admittance actually a bad thing? How would this guy feel about favoring Jewish refugees in the 1930's?

I agree. If people are being persecuted for their religious beliefs then there should be a process to accept those refugees in a timely manner.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by giancarlostoro » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 6:59 PM UTC

I hope you mean "Peacefully Protest" I shut my eyes and ears once protesting becomes violent.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by beatpanda » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 6:59 PM UTC

djrogers wrote: post #8

> In doing so, we should not demonize Trump voters—most of them voted for him for reasons other than the promise of a Muslim ban. We need their eventual support in resisting actions like these, and we will not get it if we further isolate them. This is very important people - calling everyone who voted for Trump a racist homophobe, a moron, and not deserving of the franchise is not going to help anything. I didn't vo…

At what point do we start holding people accountable then? Trump, so far, has done exactly what he said he would do. Are we supposed to believe the people who voted for him simply weren't listening?

Re: Time to Take a Stand

#16

Post by burkaman » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 7:00 PM UTC

In case anyone is still skeptical that this is really a Muslim ban and not just a blanket ban on refugees and immigrants, note that Trump has said he will give priority to Christian refugees: http://www1.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2017/01/27/brody-fi...

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by facetube » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 7:00 PM UTC

Donald Trump and Steve Bannon's blatant disregard for objective fact is reckless and dangerous. Go too much further and talent will begin to divest from the United States for moral reasons. Your move, America.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by duncan-donuts » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 7:00 PM UTC

This isn't the tech community's responsibility. This is everyone-who-disagrees' responsibility. If the GOP doesn't. It starts with holding representative's responsible. I think you're right that big tech has a huge voice, but I can't agree with the idea that it's their job to Be the Guiding Light ™

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by myblake » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 7:00 PM UTC

I think Sam's point about strength in numbers is really critical. The tech community sometimes has a little fear of being first that can rapidly shift into fear of being last, so I wonder what will cause a critical mass of tech leaders to take a stand. I think Sam is right that employees will have to provide some of the push, the New York Times article I read on this earlier mentioned an Iraqi Facebook employee in Seattle who can no longer go to Vancouver BC to visit his family for instance, so this effects us and our colleagues directly, not abstractly. I would suggest we all try and start bottom up pressure within our organizations to denounce the immingration ban, tech has always been pretty pro immigration (not always for noble reasons) so this shouldn't be a difficult sell.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by Gargoyle » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 7:01 PM UTC

mcenedella wrote: post #12

"The executive order… is tantamount to a Muslim ban" isn't quite true. Islam by country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country 1. Indonesia 2. Pakistan 3. India 4. Bangladesh 5. Nigeria 6. Iran 7. Turkey 8. Egypt 9. Algeria 10. Sudan It's probably not a great tactic to perpetuate the American habit for making sweeping comments about the rest of the world which aren't really grounded in truth. Might be best to…

It's impossible to talk about politics in a non-hyperbolic way right now, so I've mostly just stopped. I'm not going to stop voting, but I'm going to stop trying to discuss anything, which means I will be much harder to persuade.