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First they came for the Iranians

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Re: First they came for the Iranians

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Yeah, why back up our opinions with facts? > Let's just make a vote on the issue. We heard and discounted the opinions of those who though CERN would create a blackhole, or summon Cthulhu, why do your prejudices deserve a referendum?

I don't expect you to switch to my side opinion-wise, just to outvote you. You, however, could give it a shot, but didn't try. I think you don't understand how not merely democracy, not merely human society, but the whole game theory works. Yes you're going to eventually hold a referendum about CERN if it will continously raise worries, and no, you don't get to "discount" anything. You can try to defer this vote-cast…

You know you can't come up with any actual threats from immigrants. Except maybe that one would win away your girlfriend who's sick of your shit.

So no, I can't switch to your side because you literally don't have one. A side would be defined as people who think/believe as you do and nobody from the alt-right agrees. You all hate different people for different reasons. Watching your politics is hilarious because you're all each other's normal greatest enemies - religious conservatives with racists with UFO cultists, etc. You're only united by your common hatred of successful happy people.

You think the Trumps of the world are your savior and instead they're the greatest predator of fools like you. The religious right aren't going to get an effective block of abortion, because Trump doesn't care. The bigots aren't going to actually get racial purity because the banning immigration thing is just about appearing tough. Business-first people aren't going to get fiscal policy because Trump's an idiot whose sole trick is reneging on contracts. You won't even have a military in a few years because it has to be paid for. Good luck with your borders then, but it'll be Russia calling.

The rich and successful can leave, you're going to be mired in whatever nonsense you vote for and quickly at each other's throats over it. Any rich and successful jews left Germany long before it fell, but millions of "good germans" were killed in what should have been so easy for an actual master race. losers.

> I think you don't understand how not merely democracy, not merely human society, but the whole game theory works.

And yet you just declared your intent to be non-democratic. To deny some people rights that your ancestors enjoyed. That's why we aren't going to ask - we don't intend to sink to your illegal/unconstitutional depths.

> Yes you're going to eventually hold a referendum about CERN if it will continously raise worries

Worries among reasonable people, sure. But not intentional ignorance. And how would you even know if we turned it off. It's a complex machine and you're race-baiting idiots. The results are published in the type of books without pictures.

> you don't get to "discount" anything.

We were trying not to. Diversity even included those such as yourself and people cared to try to understand what made you tick despite it being irrational and hateful.

We don't have to discount you though, you try getting a hundred people from your side to work together on something other than tearing things apart. I dare you. You couldn't produce anything worth counting. You're breakers, not makers. Takers, not workers.

The only reason you have a voice is that things larger than you stopped to ask your opinion. It was odious and we won't make that mistake again.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

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I am an Iranian CS student. I had a fully funded PhD admission at one of the US universities. I was admitted for the Fall 2016 semester. I am currently in Iran due to my visa not being issued despite the 7 months I have waited for it. I was able to defer my admission to Spring 2017 semester, but then _this_ happened. I am quite sure that I will never be able to attend this program. I had very high hopes for my future…

Seven months? What does this have to do with Trump?

Re: First they came for the Iranians

#453

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Iran is horrible. It's a nightmare to live but it's much much better than Saudi

As an Iranian, I have to say it's mostly boring. This article, originally written about Malaysia, hits close to home: https://tompepinsky.com/2017/01/06/everyday-authoritarianism... What you hear in the news about Iran is not its everyday life. Imagine if you lived in a country where the only news you saw in the media about the US was violence and police brutality and just all the bad stuff. How would you have imagin…

I completely understand your point. It is boring and OK for average citizens but when we talk about states like Iran and Saudi, the context is more about your rights if you speak up against the governments, are some kind of activist or are part of a religious/ethnic minority. Life for that subgroup of people is not exactly the same as for the majority in such states. North Korea is an extreme example of this and India/Pakistan are mild examples. Iran and Saudi are somewhere in between.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

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There were already many different large scale protests across the nation several days ago. Those took months to organize and set up. Logistics alone makes another immediate large scale protest unlikely. The exception is unless there is clear and demonstrable malfeasance like in the case of S. Korea's president. If Trump's draft executive order had said something like "permanent ban of all Muslims" then I have no doub…

It appears that they only want Muslims from countries that are either known state funders of terrorism or are being farmed for Cocaine.

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Re: First they came for the Iranians

#455

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I don't expect you to switch to my side opinion-wise, just to outvote you. You, however, could give it a shot, but didn't try. I think you don't understand how not merely democracy, not merely human society, but the whole game theory works. Yes you're going to eventually hold a referendum about CERN if it will continously raise worries, and no, you don't get to "discount" anything. You can try to defer this vote-cast…

You know you can't come up with any actual threats from immigrants. Except maybe that one would win away your girlfriend who's sick of your shit. So no, I can't switch to your side because you literally don't have one. A side would be defined as people who think/believe as you do and nobody from the alt-right agrees. You all hate different people for different reasons. Watching your politics is hilarious because you'…

LiL.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

#456

People seem more upset that Trump is not letting people into the country than that Obama has been dropping bombs on 6 of these countries. I'm not wild about the Trump immigration ban on these countries, but I really, really hope he ends these wars.

You can be mad at both things, or none. You don't have to pick or choose one over the other. I can be hungry and thirsty at the same time, or I can be tired and also have a mean sun-burn. The two issues are pretty unrelated.

I agree. But I am far more outraged at our government getting involved in foreign wars and dropping bombs all over the world than I am in them not letting people into the country from countries we are bombing. I think most people would have the same feeling if they thought about it carefully.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

#458
All you Iranian terrorists are not and should never be allowed to get into the US and other western countries!!!! You are all despicable scums of the earth and should be totally and completely exterminated and wiped out of existence. One day your nuclear bombs will explode and wiping every Iranian Shiites including all of your ayatollahs, an earthquake of Intensity 10000's or a million times will surely bury you all wherever you all are including your oil!!!!!!!!! Ok so get with program, and eat shit and you all die!!!!!!!!!!

Re: First they came for the Iranians

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> We will continue to do everything we can to fight this policy and others like it. You say that, but I'm afraid the implication might be "short of doing anything that matters". Where are the protests? Why aren't people in the streets? Don't make the same mistake Germans did under Hitler. The government relies on each step affecting few enough people that nobody will be bothered enough to march, and after a thousand…

There were already many different large scale protests across the nation several days ago. Those took months to organize and set up. Logistics alone makes another immediate large scale protest unlikely. The exception is unless there is clear and demonstrable malfeasance like in the case of S. Korea's president. If Trump's draft executive order had said something like "permanent ban of all Muslims" then I have no doub…

> If Trump's draft executive order had said something like "permanent ban of all Muslims" then I have no doubts people would start protesting immediately.

1. It's not a draft, it's an issued order.

2. People did start protesting immediately.

> It's limited to seven countries.

Well, the initial 90-day ban in the order is. The order itself is much broader.

> The ban on entry from these countries is 30 days

90 days.

30 days is the timeline for the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security to decide on information that countries (not limited to those covered by the 90-day ban) must provide in the future in order for immigration to be allowed from their country.

> 3) After that point all countries on that list need to provide additional screening info in order for visas to be accepted.

No, all countries period must provide the additional information once it is determined what that information is, within 60 days of the rules being issued. A list of countries (again, not limited to those in the 90-day ban) will be maintained, and entry from those countries will be banned; the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security are to recommend countries based on non-compliance, but the order neither indicates that non-compliance will consistently result in inclusion on the banned list, or that the list will be restricted to non-compliant countries.

Re: First they came for the Iranians

#460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were already many different large scale protests across the nation several days ago. Those took months to organize and set up. Logistics alone makes another immediate large scale protest unlikely. The exception is unless there is clear and demonstrable malfeasance like in the case of S. Korea's president. If Trump's draft executive order had said something like "permanent ban of all Muslims" then I have no doub…

Let's see what happens in 30 days, then. My hopes are not high. Also, if this really were just to reduce investigative burden, why not halt all refugees from all countries for 30 days?

> why not halt all refugees from all countries for 30 days?

Refugees from all countries have been halted for 120 days by the order. The refugee provisions are different than the general immigration ones.

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