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Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by thezilch »

otabdeveloper wrote: post #127
thezilch wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most or all stats will show mobile FF browsing usage at about IE6 levels, and I don't think you'll find anyone caring much for the later market any longer. We [web developers] owe a lot to FF, Firebug, etc, but the writings on the wall for mobile and desktop. Chrome is going to have to screw up really bad, and likewise for the base installs of IE/Edge and Safari. These days, I'm more likely to suggest Brave over FF,…

> These days, I'm more likely to suggest Brave over FF, if someone really requires a Chrome alternative. Brave is just a reskinned Chrome. > We [web developers] owe a lot to FF, Firebug, etc, but the writings on the wall for mobile and desktop. Where I work developers have mostly switched to Firefox over the last few years. Firefox is just a better browser (faster, less bloated) under the hood. Yes, Firefox will have…

Do you mean chromium? And it's much more than a skin, lol.

And it's not the experience for many to have a faster browsing experience, but I'm not going to argue how anyone quantities that -- really don't care what others use.

On desktop, I find the tooling much worse and sluggish. But the thread was about mobile, and there are a vanishing number of users of mobile FF.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by mdekkers »

syshum wrote: post #117
yoasif_ wrote: post #113

There seem to be a lot of people that are saying "oh, without XUL based extensions, Firefox is just a (worse) Chrome clone, so I might as well just use Chrome." I think what they might be missing is that Mozilla's conclusion is a lot like the people seem to be thinking here -- even though Chrome doesn't have the fancy extensions that are possible in Firefox, many many more people are using Chrome than Firefox, becaus…

>>Clearly, that has something to do with either security or performance, where Firefox has a perceived lag. This is completely false It has something to do with MARKETING and the fact the Google is largest marketing company in the world and has the ability to market chrome far far far more effectively than Firefox IE is crap, so Windows users seek a replacement for IE, use to their only option was Firefox. Once Chrom…

They they take away my TreeStyle Tabs and a few other Extensions I dont care how much faster it is, FF will be removed my all my systems

TreeStyle Tabs is the the Main reason I use FF today. I dont understand why browsers have tabs horizontally across the window, it looks stupid and is unusable once you get above 20 or 30 tabs open So you talk about have 100's of tabs open, it is pointless if I do not have TreeStyle or some kind of Vertical Tabs. And no the Stupid Dock style of doing it on Chrome and other WebExtensions based hack is neither desirable or usable

I came to say pretty much the same thing.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by mdekkers »

ngokevin wrote: post #151
otakucode wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would except the user interface will be stripped so bare you can't actually have more than a dozen or so pages open at once! I know there are many people in the same position as me. They open a lot of tabs. When Google killed off vertical side tabs (which were only ever a hidden option you had to enable manually anyway), they went back to Firefox. And now Firefox is taking the vertical side tabs out in the street…

https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tab-center/

You are offering an alternative that will be made obsolete by the same change:

https://github.com/bwinton/TabCenter/issues/868

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by mdekkers »

rvern wrote: post #112
baby wrote: post #67

If Tree Style Tab doesn't work anymore. What are the reasons to use Firefox? Also what are the alternatives. I tried Chrome but the Tree Style Tab-like plugin is clumsy. Should I just not update firefox and wait until devs realize tabs were meant to be on the side? Honnestly as a power user I can't browse the web without tree style tab anymore.

Mozilla created Tab Center, which is similar to Tree Style Tabs: https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tab-center .

rubbish, will also be incompatible after this change. https://github.com/bwinton/TabCenter/issues/868

Furthermore, "showing tabs on the side" is not "similar to Tree Style Tabs"

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by CaptSpify »

gcb0 wrote: post #103
CaptSpify wrote: post #100

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As a die-hard FF mobile user.... FF is slow, pages rarely load the first time and I constantly have to manually reload, the interface for making config changes are requires sooooo many clicks. I have no real experience if chrome is better because I never use it, but FF mobile has some real warts

most sites that are slow are also slow on chrome. so doesnt even bother. the only solution is installing noScript. the only version available is in beta. but it works fine. you will be suprised how few sites I have to whitelist to see the content I want. and usually besides faster, they get much more usable without Javascript!

I do use noscript. By default on every site. This slowness is different than your typical js-bloat slowness

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by cronjobber »

51Cards wrote: post #81

Once this happens I will leave Firefox after being one of its strongest supporters for years. What makes Firefox worth it is the level to which I can customize it and this will knock out 5 of my must-have add-ons in one shot. When you do that you have nothing but a Chrome clone left and why use a Chrome clone when you can use Chrome. I hate Chrome because I feel locked in on UI design (old-school user here). Once FF…

> why use a Chrome clone when you can use Chrome

If every browser looked exactly like Chrome, I'd still choose the one that contained the least amount of Google.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by tezza »

mozilla is pulling a nokia here.

greasemonkey and add-ons are why people continue to use FF beyond the brief evaluation phase.

now mozilla are clearly in the thrall of Abstraction Astronauts and know-nothing UX Design 'gurus'.

just like Nokia before the iphone

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by JupiterMoon »

buovjaga wrote: post #160
jhlgkhkhil wrote: post #155

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Does that do collapsible tree structures of tabs? Does that allow me to bookmark a whole tree and reload it later? Can that auto hide and auto reveal? Or is it a shitter half copy of tree style tabs that will never actually be released because it would "confuse normal users". I'm not a normal user I don't want a crippled product. Normal users use Edge, Safari, IE or Chrome anyway. They won't use Firefox because it do…

No, it won't do trees: https://github.com/bwinton/TabCenter/issues/498 But I found this: https://github.com/bwinton/TabCenter/issues/868 "I've been talking with the people implementing WebExtensions for a while now, and they are committed to adding the APIs necessary to support something like TabCenter (or TreeStyle Tabs, or any of the other side-tabs add-ons). I don't know their final timeline, but I would be very s…

OK what about Vimperator?

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by baby »

rvern wrote: post #112
baby wrote: post #67

If Tree Style Tab doesn't work anymore. What are the reasons to use Firefox? Also what are the alternatives. I tried Chrome but the Tree Style Tab-like plugin is clumsy. Should I just not update firefox and wait until devs realize tabs were meant to be on the side? Honnestly as a power user I can't browse the web without tree style tab anymore.

Mozilla created Tab Center, which is similar to Tree Style Tabs: https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tab-center .

nope

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by baby »

yoasif_ wrote: post #113

There seem to be a lot of people that are saying "oh, without XUL based extensions, Firefox is just a (worse) Chrome clone, so I might as well just use Chrome." I think what they might be missing is that Mozilla's conclusion is a lot like the people seem to be thinking here -- even though Chrome doesn't have the fancy extensions that are possible in Firefox, many many more people are using Chrome than Firefox, becaus…

plain faster is still slow if you don't have tabs on the side like with Tree Style Tab :/
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