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Google, in Post-Obama Era, Aggressively Woos Republicans

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Re: Google, in Post-Obama Era, Aggressively Woos Republicans

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I can't believe they're stupid enough to think that Trump is a Republican. He's neither. Both parties shat all over him during his entire campaign, so he owes them not just nothing, but less than nothing, hence the promise to institute the congressional term limits and anti-lobbying laws. And as everyone discovered over the last week (much to everyone's surprise), Trump is the first politician in history that will ac…

> Both parties shat all over him during his entire campaign, so he owes them not just nothing, but less than nothing, hence the promise to institute the congressional term limits and anti-lobbying laws. How will he pass laws without the support of at least 50% of Congress?

He will get the support through amazing feats of negotiation.

Re: Google, in Post-Obama Era, Aggressively Woos Republicans

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> I'm not optimistic, but I hope that the Trump era finally puts an end to the illusions people had about tech giants as a vehicle for social progress. I hope so too. Even if corporations really were sincerely pursuing social progress, that would be bad. In a democratic society, social progress should not be determined by a small group of unaccountable organizations. Say what you will about governments pursuing socia…

> Even if corporations really were sincerely pursuing social progress, that would be bad. In a democratic society, social progress should not be determined by a small group of unaccountable organizations. I disagree. Progress shouldn't be dependent on a small group of unaccountable organisations - but if such want to get out there and run their businesses in an, progressive manner that benefits society as a whole, I'…

> Progress shouldn't be dependent on a small group of unaccountable organisations - but if such want to get out there and run their businesses in an, progressive manner that benefits society as a whole, I'm going to cheer them on.

What would you think if big companies like Google and Apple pursued a conservative agenda? What if they were against same-sex marriage or legal abortion?

The sword cuts both ways. There is no guarantee that corporations will always be on the right side of the culture wars, but they have enormous power. It's not a good idea to support corporate power because it happens to be on your side this time.

Re: Google, in Post-Obama Era, Aggressively Woos Republicans

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> This sounds good on paper -- but the more likely reality is that it will simply lead to lobbying becoming more covert, as former government employees working on behalf of corporations won't register as lobbyists. And then they'll be breaking the law. Pushing the practice underground will make it less effective and less common. The appearance of propriety goes a long way toward convincing people that there isn't eno…

I want his tax returns so we can get some clue as to whether his obsession with Russia is a childish crush on authoritarian bullies, which is a theme of his, or whether in fact there is a financial connection. I want his tax returns to find out just how badly he's been lying about his net worth. I want his tax returns because I honestly believe he'll be humiliated by us seeing them.

> I want his tax returns so we can get some clue as to whether his obsession with Russia is a childish crush on authoritarian bullies, which is a theme of his, or whether in fact there is a financial connection.

Which tax returns probably wouldn't tell you because even if there was it would only show up as revenue from some nondescript corporation in Delaware.

> I want his tax returns to find out just how badly he's been lying about his net worth.

Which tax returns probably wouldn't tell you because they deal with income rather than assets.

> I want his tax returns because I honestly believe he'll be humiliated by us seeing them.

At least you admit it.

Re: Google, in Post-Obama Era, Aggressively Woos Republicans

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> Both parties shat all over him during his entire campaign, so he owes them not just nothing, but less than nothing, hence the promise to institute the congressional term limits and anti-lobbying laws. How will he pass laws without the support of at least 50% of Congress?

He will get the support through amazing feats of negotiation.

Then how can you say "he owes them nothing"? If he wants to get any laws passed, he'll need to give them something.

Re: Google, in Post-Obama Era, Aggressively Woos Republicans

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If we hold Trump responsible for that, then don't we hold cigarette companies responsible for lung cancer? Weapons companies for murders? BitTorrent for piracy? Soda and fast food companies for obesity and diabetes? Where does it end?

Rather than ban these things, we should just tax them to pay for social services to offset the harm that they do.

I know it's not PC in SV to say so, but I REALLy hate sin taxes. Smokers die younger, have fewer of the oh-so expensive end-of-life years, cost less as a result and yet still are social pariahs who have the privilege of paying extra taxes and extra for health insurance. Fair how?

Re: Google, in Post-Obama Era, Aggressively Woos Republicans

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If we hold Trump responsible for that, then don't we hold cigarette companies responsible for lung cancer? Weapons companies for murders? BitTorrent for piracy? Soda and fast food companies for obesity and diabetes? Where does it end?

Rather than ban these things, we should just tax them to pay for social services to offset the harm that they do.

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Re: Google, in Post-Obama Era, Aggressively Woos Republicans

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I want his tax returns so we can get some clue as to whether his obsession with Russia is a childish crush on authoritarian bullies, which is a theme of his, or whether in fact there is a financial connection. I want his tax returns to find out just how badly he's been lying about his net worth. I want his tax returns because I honestly believe he'll be humiliated by us seeing them.

> I want his tax returns so we can get some clue as to whether his obsession with Russia is a childish crush on authoritarian bullies, which is a theme of his, or whether in fact there is a financial connection. Which tax returns probably wouldn't tell you because even if there was it would only show up as revenue from some nondescript corporation in Delaware. > I want his tax returns to find out just how badly he's…

Tax returns would still give us strong clues. For all we know, he's barely above water, being propped up by the Russian mafia.

And let's face it, he's so thin-skinned that practically anything angers him.

Re: Google, in Post-Obama Era, Aggressively Woos Republicans

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He will get the support through amazing feats of negotiation.

Then how can you say "he owes them nothing"? If he wants to get any laws passed, he'll need to give them something.

He can play them against Democrats. In fact I bet he will have to. He owes no allegiance to anyone but people who can re-elect him in 2020 if they think he did a good job. He understands that.

Re: Google, in Post-Obama Era, Aggressively Woos Republicans

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> look at the petroleum industry, security & prison industrial complexes and their bought politicians to see the worst. Why would the tech industry be any better? The industries you name are somewhat more dependent on government, but Google and 'big tech' are still heavily dependent.

Deepwater Horizon, Bhopal, CIA black sites, the list is long. The level of either incompetence or pure indifference to human and environmental cost is just incomparable. Name one such for the tech industry.

> Bhopal

Could the IT industry ever cause this much harm? I suppose if an IT failure caused major infrastructure to fail, or propaganda caused a war ... or if propaganda enabled a Russian mole and fascist to become President of the U.S. (if that's what he is).

Re: Google, in Post-Obama Era, Aggressively Woos Republicans

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Palantir being the exception that proves the rule.

Pedantic aside: This isn't the right way to use this phrase. The exception that proves the rule is the data point that demonstrates that it makes sense to call it a rule and not just something which is always true. 'Dogs bark' is proven a rule by cats meowing, not by a dog that doesn't bark

I don't understand how cats meowing proves anything about dogs. But see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_that_proves_the_rule...

The original sense is "No parking on sundays" proves that parking is allowed on other days.

The colloquial sense is that if something is a surprising, it shows that its opposite was a useful rule of thumb, or at least one you'd established in your head. (E.g. if you are surprised by a dog that doesn't bark, this surprise is meaningful and says something about what you think about dogs and barking.)

If palantir is shocking as a SV company, this says something interesting about what you think about SV companies.

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