Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

I cannot continue working on my add-ons

fasezero.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

131–140 of 218 posts

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

#131

Post by AgentME »

yoasif_ wrote: post #113

There seem to be a lot of people that are saying "oh, without XUL based extensions, Firefox is just a (worse) Chrome clone, so I might as well just use Chrome." I think what they might be missing is that Mozilla's conclusion is a lot like the people seem to be thinking here -- even though Chrome doesn't have the fancy extensions that are possible in Firefox, many many more people are using Chrome than Firefox, becaus…

Jesus from the rest of the comments, you'd think Mozilla was removing the XUL interface just to spite people. It's being removed because it's incompatible with making Firefox multi-process and sandboxed. Firefox is literally the only major browser that hasn't moved to a multi-process and sandboxed model yet, and it shows hard in performance and in security vulnerabilities. I'm very excited to see Firefox finally catch up.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

#133

Post by johnny22 »

Am I the only person here who was considering switching away from Firefox a few years back because I didn't think they had a plan to really move their efforts further?

Honestly, I'm really impressed with their plans for Servo, WebExtensions and other recently active projects.

I plan on sticking it out for the long haul.

EDIT: qualified when I wanted to switch.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

#134

Post by Jaepa »

rvern wrote: post #118
51Cards wrote: post #81

Once this happens I will leave Firefox after being one of its strongest supporters for years. What makes Firefox worth it is the level to which I can customize it and this will knock out 5 of my must-have add-ons in one shot. When you do that you have nothing but a Chrome clone left and why use a Chrome clone when you can use Chrome. I hate Chrome because I feel locked in on UI design (old-school user here). Once FF…

> When you do that you have nothing but a Chrome clone left and why use a Chrome clone when you can use Chrome. Why use Chrome when you can use a Chrome clone that better respects your privacy, is open source, and gives you more freedom to configure it? Because it's more secure or faster? It won't be for long: that's exactly what Mozilla is working on. At the expense, yes, of some configurability.

Security is debatable. Sand boxing was just introduced. Customizable maybe, but between the australis, xul deprecation, and the limited theming API I don't think Mozilla really cares.

Also for a open source browser. Are you aware the is chromium? Or hell any number of electron based web browsers (which is also chromium).

Edit and loss of configurability is not the issue. Loss of Functionality is.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

#135

Post by syshum »

AgentME wrote: post #131
yoasif_ wrote: post #113

There seem to be a lot of people that are saying "oh, without XUL based extensions, Firefox is just a (worse) Chrome clone, so I might as well just use Chrome." I think what they might be missing is that Mozilla's conclusion is a lot like the people seem to be thinking here -- even though Chrome doesn't have the fancy extensions that are possible in Firefox, many many more people are using Chrome than Firefox, becaus…

Jesus from the rest of the comments, you'd think Mozilla was removing the XUL interface just to spite people. It's being removed because it's incompatible with making Firefox multi-process and sandboxed. Firefox is literally the only major browser that hasn't moved to a multi-process and sandboxed model yet, and it shows hard in performance and in security vulnerabilities. I'm very excited to see Firefox finally catc…

>>Firefox is literally the only major browser

and I view that as a good thing, not a bad thing.

Being a clone of "every other browser" is not desirable to me

>and it shows hard in performance and in security vulnerabilities. I'm very excited to see Firefox finally catch up.

I care less about performance and more about functionality.

I can overcome performance with larger processors and more memory, I have 12 core system with 64GB of memory, FF is not hurting my system.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

#136

Post by kbrosnan »

Avery3R wrote: post #24
stephengillie wrote: post #7

Isn't Firefox open source? Can't you just fork the project and start your own browser, where all these changes don't get made? Is the real concern about forking the userbase and ecosystem, and the fork won't have the critical user base to become self-sustaining? Edit: added paragraph for clarity.

There's already a fork, pale moon.

Their security story is laughable. It won't be multiprocess. It won't have sandboxing. They deleted every test directory from the source tree.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

#137

Post by abeyer »

yoasif_ wrote: post #125
syshum wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>This is what I don't understand. What would you use instead? Does not matter, Likely Vivaldi, or Chrome. I will not reward FF or Mozilla, it may seem petty but I will not continue to use FF after mozilla ignored its users in this manner. From day one Devs, users and the wider community has been telling mozilla we do not want these changes. Clearly they do not want me as a user of their product so I will oblige them…

> Clearly they do not want me as a user of their product so I will oblige them and stop using their product Got it, spite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP0MXJAQhmo Chrome never tried to cater to users like you, so you'll reward that browser because they never bothered to try.

> Got it, spite.

Even if that's true, isn't it a pretty poor reflection on a product if its users dislike its direction so much that they are willing to abandon it in spite?

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

#138

Post by syshum »

rvern wrote: post #112
baby wrote: post #67

If Tree Style Tab doesn't work anymore. What are the reasons to use Firefox? Also what are the alternatives. I tried Chrome but the Tree Style Tab-like plugin is clumsy. Should I just not update firefox and wait until devs realize tabs were meant to be on the side? Honnestly as a power user I can't browse the web without tree style tab anymore.

Mozilla created Tab Center, which is similar to Tree Style Tabs: https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tab-center .

It is far far far far far way from replacing TreeStyle, as it has no Tree.... It just moves the tabs from horizontal to vertical, which has similar usability problems

It is better than Sidewise on chrome though, however TabCenter is XUL as well I believe, there are no APIS currently for it to be moved to Extensions,

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

#139

Post by imron »

nextos wrote: post #85
williamscales wrote: post #32

This is going to kill pentadactyl, which is currently the only reason I'm using Firefox. For those who aren't familiar, pentadactyl is a Firefox extension that transforms the user interface to make it more minimal and vim-like. You get to use standard vim bindings to navigate the web and it even gives you a vim-like command line interface to the browser's functionality.

Horrible news. I use Vimperator, used to use Pentadactyl. The latter forked from the former, but they are still very closely related. Like Emacs and XEmacs. They are addictive. They turn Firefox into a different kind of thing. I rely so much on custom commands like: command -nargs=1 proxy set! network.proxy.type= command -nargs=+ -complete=url site open google site: map s :site I'm really afraid of Firefox breaking V…

Vimperator is one of two things that keep me on Firefox.

The other is not having a single process per tab. I typically have 40-50 tabs open at any one time. On chrome that chews through memory. On Firefox it chews through significantly less.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

#140

Post by yoasif_ »

abeyer wrote: post #137
yoasif_ wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Clearly they do not want me as a user of their product so I will oblige them and stop using their product Got it, spite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP0MXJAQhmo Chrome never tried to cater to users like you, so you'll reward that browser because they never bothered to try.

> Got it, spite. Even if that's true, isn't it a pretty poor reflection on a product if its users dislike its direction so much that they are willing to abandon it in spite?

I don't think so. The product is the binary, which can perform better or worse, or have more or fewer features than the competition.

The direction of the product isn't the product itself, and reflects more upon the people who direct the "direction" of the product. This feels more like damage to the brand -- but as usual, I don't know whether the opinion on HN actually translates to the overall population of web users.

I mean, the new Macbook Pro is certainly a failure [doesn't go to 32gb ram], and hell wasn't that iPod a total failure [no wireless, less space than a nomad]? (I know, I know, that was Slashdot.)

Post reply on HN