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Doing it for profit is hardly a better excuse than following orders. Should we not hold it against Trump that he ran casinos which preyed on the intellectually and financially disadvantaged?
If we hold Trump responsible for that, then don't we hold cigarette companies responsible for lung cancer? Weapons companies for murders? BitTorrent for piracy? Soda and fast food companies for obesity and diabetes? Where does it end?
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doing it for profit is hardly a better excuse than following orders. Should we not hold it against Trump that he ran casinos which preyed on the intellectually and financially disadvantaged?
If we hold Trump responsible for that, then don't we hold cigarette companies responsible for lung cancer? Weapons companies for murders? BitTorrent for piracy? Soda and fast food companies for obesity and diabetes? Where does it end?
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The problem is this shouldn't even be a thing. It shouldn't be "Google" that gives money to politicians . It should be individuals. And the sums should be capped at $200 (local/Congress elections) to $500 (presidential elections). Even "lobbying" shouldn't exist. There should only be public hearings. I don't want some other party to whisper secret stuff to my politician. I want it all on the record.
Yeah, I can't count how many Googlers have argued with me based on the claim that OpenSecrets is highlighting donations of individual employees, and that the company itself isn't buying these politicians... but that's what Google NetPAC is for. Google gives to their own PAC, which gives to their paid-for Congresscritters. Just a (thin) layer of obfuscation.
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#105I'm not optimistic, but I hope that the Trump era finally puts an end to the illusions people had about tech giants as a vehicle for social progress. We're stepping into an era of extreme inequality, authoritarianism, and intolerance, all borne on the back of their rise. They may not be the origin of these trends, but they certainly rode them to tremendous wealth without anything besides the most superficial concerns…
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I doubt Google or any other SV corporation would ever agree to help with a Muslim registry. Even if somehow the top leadership of such a company were to agree (which I doubt), you'd see defections, sabotage, and heavy leaks almost immediately.
http://neveragain.tech/ has a ton of Googlers on there. I'm among them.
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> This sounds good on paper -- but the more likely reality is that it will simply lead to lobbying becoming more covert, as former government employees working on behalf of corporations won't register as lobbyists. And then they'll be breaking the law. Pushing the practice underground will make it less effective and less common. The appearance of propriety goes a long way toward convincing people that there isn't eno…
> And then they'll be breaking the law. Will they? You don't have to be a registered lobbyist to have access to your congressman. That would be thoroughly undemocratic.
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#108I know of at least one subset of a top-tier federal agency that uses Google's .gov services, this[0] I would assume. I wonder what the size of .gov business is for Google and to what extent (vs anti-trust concerns) it factors-in to making nice with the new regime? [0] https://gsuite.google.com/industries/government/
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#109I can't believe they're stupid enough to think that Trump is a Republican. He's neither. Both parties shat all over him during his entire campaign, so he owes them not just nothing, but less than nothing, hence the promise to institute the congressional term limits and anti-lobbying laws. And as everyone discovered over the last week (much to everyone's surprise), Trump is the first politician in history that will ac…
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> This sounds good on paper -- but the more likely reality is that it will simply lead to lobbying becoming more covert, as former government employees working on behalf of corporations won't register as lobbyists. And then they'll be breaking the law. Pushing the practice underground will make it less effective and less common. The appearance of propriety goes a long way toward convincing people that there isn't eno…
Pushing the practice underground will make it less effective and less common. That's also the logic of the "war on drugs". It may or may not work in this case -- I don't know -- but it will definitely make lobbying less documented and regulated. What are the sanctions for undocumented lobbyists going to be? How will they be enforced, when the Trump administration is so strongly biased against transparency everywhere…
The war on drugs isn't a failure because it failed to reduce drug use. It probably has a bit. The failure is that it did so only at the cost of massively increased violence, the erosion of civil liberties, mass incarceration and the debasement of the criminal justice system.
Do you predict lobbying cartels turning to violence to protect their business and so many citizens charged with breaking the law that it debases the justice system?
> It may or may not work in this case -- I don't know -- but it will definitely make lobbying less documented and regulated.
It's not as though there are currently such rigorous and effective regulations that everyone follows.
> What are the sanctions for undocumented lobbyists going to be? How will they be enforced, when the Trump administration is so strongly biased against transparency everywhere else?
The change is to who can be a lobbyist, not in the answer to any of those questions.
> His tax returns matter as the very minimum expected gesture in transparency.
Transparency is for what government officials do in office, not what they do in their private lives.
> At present Americans have no idea what the President owns and how he makes money (or maybe he doesn't -- in which case he would have a strong incentive to use his office to prop up the failing parts of his business empire).
If what he does is good policy that happens to coincide with his business interests, that is not actually a problem. If what he does is bad policy then it's a problem independent of whether it aligns with his business interests. Because what matters is what he does in office, not what he does as a private citizen.