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Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by jakobegger »

tomne wrote: post #95
astrodust wrote: post #58

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> Fantastic display panel, though. That's why people buy them. It's not for the fastest CPU, it's definitely not for the GPU. It's because it has a fast enough CPU, a good enough GPU and goes all-in on the display.

Aren't they all glossy though? It looks better, but it's less practical whenever you get some sunlight.

I don't know what the iMacs are like, but the Macbooks have gotten pretty good anti-reflective coating, and they have pretty bright backlight. I prefer my glossy 2015 Macbook Pro to my anti-glare matte 2009 Macbook Pro, even in difficult lighting.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by m_mueller »

iaskwhy wrote: post #35
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #5

Back when I worked at Apple the dirty secret was that the cheapest models, despite all the marketing of the MacBook Pro, made up the majority of sales. Back then it was the white plastic MacBook but now it's the 11" MacBook Air that occupies that slot. That model and its crappy TN screen is vastly inferior and more expensive than similarly-sized ultrabooks. The only redeeming feature it has is MacOS. Instead of repla…

Just a reminder: the original Macbook Air was introduced 9 years ago for US$1799, a very premium price point for a, at the time, really weak machine. Give it time!

Yes, and they had a strong lineup of other models to choose from back then.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by grepthisab »

neutronicus wrote: post #72
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #5

Back when I worked at Apple the dirty secret was that the cheapest models, despite all the marketing of the MacBook Pro, made up the majority of sales. Back then it was the white plastic MacBook but now it's the 11" MacBook Air that occupies that slot. That model and its crappy TN screen is vastly inferior and more expensive than similarly-sized ultrabooks. The only redeeming feature it has is MacOS. Instead of repla…

What Ultrabooks do you think are better bang for the buck?

I like the Dell XPS 13 quite a bit.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by pyrophane »

muro wrote: post #97
potatosoup wrote: post #54

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What was she actually against in the new MBP? (New MBP user myself, don't like the touch bar, but otherwise a fine machine.)

What about the keyboard?

I thought I'd hate they keyboard but was a bit surprised to find out that I actually quite like it. It feels quick and responsive to type on, and the keyboards on the older MBPs feel squishy and imprecise in comparison.

I also get that this is absolutely a subjective thing. Some people probably just wouldn't like the lack of travel.

Still, I consider myself a pretty discerning keyboard user, and I think the current MBP keyboard is my favorite among the laptop keyboards I have used, with the possible exception of the old Thinkpad keyboard.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by dgfgfdagasdfgfa »

jclardy wrote: post #67
rigden33 wrote: post #59

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Yes, why wouldn't we count it? It's an entry level laptop for a reason; it's going to have entry-level specs.

I guess what I'm really asking (given the original subject of the post being declining Mac sales) is who is going to buy it? You can buy a Chromebook with a 13" IPS touchscreen that looks better than the Air for $250. The air is a decent machine for doing dev work, but compared to what its competitors it is a complete rip-off. Its only selling point is running OS X.

> Its only selling point is running OS X.

I mean, that's the strongest decision when evaluating a new machine for me. If someone wants to replace my machine, they also need to replace the software on the machine, and I don't think the Chromebook is even aimed in the same direction as Mac OS X. It doesn't have the breadth of software, hardware, or even file interaction necessary to get through the classes I took in college, let alone my self education.

If you know exactly what you need from your machine, the chromebook may very well be sufficient. I don't think you can depend on it as a general purpose computer quite yet.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by bostand »

jerven wrote: post #81
tekklloneer wrote: post #52

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The flip side is that I needed a laptop to take with me to events, so I got a $750 dell xps13. If I were a college student, I'd be eyeing the $1200 version extremely hard versus an equivalent specced macbook pro at $1700 Or, the $750 version (which is what I have) versus a $1000 macbook that's significantly less powerful.

I just got myself a Dell precision 5510 with Ubuntu out of the box. A lot more capable than the most power full current macbook pro, weighs slightly less then the macbook pro from 2009 I am typing this on (moving files across to the new dell) After 16 years of Mac use I don't regret the switch.

Is this a 15" laptop?

I recently realized that a modern 15" can be much more ergonomic yet almost as small and light as a 13" from a couple of years back.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by sydd »

stevenh wrote: post #78
feross wrote: post #64

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"If you want to write fast software, use a slow computer" - Dominic Tarr The 12" Macbook is the best computer I've ever owned. Switched to it from a 2014 Macbook Pro, and found it very easy to adjust. The only time it struggles a little bit is when I run Windows in VMware, on occasion. The biggest benefit of the Macbook 12" is that if software runs well on your computer, you know it's guaranteed to run extra buttery-…

Slowness is a feature, not a bug.

Yeah, seriously the Apple circlejerk is here a bit too much? People seriously think its good that a PC is slow? Why not buy a 6 year old netbook thatll be even slower!

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by m_mueller »

capkutay wrote: post #86

The jury has been out on Tim Cook's performance as Apple CEO since he took over about 7 years ago. I think this new line of Macs is evidence that he's just too focussed on operations to the point where it's ruining their products. I'm guessing the move to consolidate the ports and kill the audio jack may make total sense internally at Apple when it comes to their 10-year manufacturing operations plan and really maxim…

IMO the big mistake was to give Jony Ive that much power. Should have put Scott Forstall there instead, the man who made their most important product work, but they got rid of him for being too opinionated and against the grain. Well, that's probably exactly what you need in a product developer. (S)He doesn't need to be a good designer, just recognize good design. Ive is just way out of touch with their customer base.
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