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Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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How Apple can leave the Mac Pro and Mini in their old configuration this long is beyond reason. 1000 days since its debut. Apple should be ashamed of this. Yet this company is operating like the days before Steve returned except this time there is no Steve to right it I expect the iMac to get a new chipset but I would like to see the Mac mini updated. Either update the Mac Pro or pull it.

They claim there's updates in the works. Here's hoping they push them out soon.

With apple's recent behavior, the updates may not be upgrades, but trade-offs.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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I bought my Macbook Air for $1,629 in June of 2012. It's still my main computer and I've spent I'm not easy on computers. I travel a lot and this think has put up with very poor treatment. I can't think of a better computer for me. After this one dies I'll definitely buy another Mac (not thinking about which one because I'm expecting this to last at least another year). I hope I'm not disappointed because this computer exceeded my expectations for a laptop.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Makes sense with Apple's current terrible product line setup. Both the retina MacBook and 2016 MacBook Pro are much more niche than their last generation. Also much more confusing as the MacBook Air successor is $500 more than the 13" Air was (The non-touchbar MacBook Pro is the spiritual successor to the air.) The true 13" Pro for 2016 is also $500 more than the last gen. The 12" MacBook is there...but it is a super…

"If you want to write fast software, use a slow computer" - Dominic Tarr The 12" Macbook is the best computer I've ever owned. Switched to it from a 2014 Macbook Pro, and found it very easy to adjust. The only time it struggles a little bit is when I run Windows in VMware, on occasion. The biggest benefit of the Macbook 12" is that if software runs well on your computer, you know it's guaranteed to run extra buttery-…

"The biggest benefit of the Macbook 12" is that if software runs well on your computer, you know it's guaranteed to run extra buttery-smooth on other computers, which all have beefier CPUs and GPUs."

Really? Apple really has a great business model.

The software I'm developing is not the compiler I'm using. It's not a mobile device emulator I'm using. It's not a web browser I'm using. It's not an email client or a photo editing app I'm using. It's not the IDE I'm using.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Makes sense with Apple's current terrible product line setup. Both the retina MacBook and 2016 MacBook Pro are much more niche than their last generation. Also much more confusing as the MacBook Air successor is $500 more than the 13" Air was (The non-touchbar MacBook Pro is the spiritual successor to the air.) The true 13" Pro for 2016 is also $500 more than the last gen. The 12" MacBook is there...but it is a super…

"If you want to write fast software, use a slow computer" - Dominic Tarr The 12" Macbook is the best computer I've ever owned. Switched to it from a 2014 Macbook Pro, and found it very easy to adjust. The only time it struggles a little bit is when I run Windows in VMware, on occasion. The biggest benefit of the Macbook 12" is that if software runs well on your computer, you know it's guaranteed to run extra buttery-…

well.... depends. Apple invests heavily into making sure SW runs lean on metal

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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They're desktop PCs with midrange mobile GPUs and mobile RAM in an aging design so thermally compromised for the sake of thinness that it throttles the CPU and GPU at the first sign of either one approaching load while the revving fan efficiently draws in dust from its environment and deposits it irremovably onto the inside of the LCD. Fantastic display panel, though.

> Fantastic display panel, though. That's why people buy them. It's not for the fastest CPU, it's definitely not for the GPU. It's because it has a fast enough CPU, a good enough GPU and goes all-in on the display.

Aren't they all glossy though? It looks better, but it's less practical whenever you get some sunlight.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Makes sense with Apple's current terrible product line setup. Both the retina MacBook and 2016 MacBook Pro are much more niche than their last generation. Also much more confusing as the MacBook Air successor is $500 more than the 13" Air was (The non-touchbar MacBook Pro is the spiritual successor to the air.) The true 13" Pro for 2016 is also $500 more than the last gen. The 12" MacBook is there...but it is a super…

I just bought a new Macbook, and I can say that it's a great product. Probably the best on the market. The problem I had was cost - they are over-priced. Yes, I've heard the argument that if you want 'x RAM with y CPU' etc it will 'cost just as much' - but this is just no longer true. The Macs with 16G memory are crazy expensive. My Mac has 200-ish G hard-drive which is f-ing retardedly small. They should all have 1T…

> Yes, I've heard the argument that if you want 'x RAM with y CPU' etc it will 'cost just as much' - but this is just no longer true. The Macs with 16G memory are crazy expensive.

What boggles my mind is how many of them max out at 8G. I couldn't care less about CPU, and I'm flexible about storage, but 8G RAM is ridiculous. I'm currently using a couple of MS office apps and a web browser on my 2015 MBP and it's using 12G. I had a 2011 (or earlier, but I think it was the 2011) MBP that was happy to accept 16G. I'd gladly settle for a 12" MB for most work if I could just get >8G in one.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Just wanted to add an opinion you don't see as much here, as a non-developer. It's not just developers who are pretty upset about the new Macbook, myself and my fiance were both in the market, and my fiance used a MBP through college. She pretty much fought me on the new MBP until she tried it in store, and promptly was against it. She's going with a Surfacebook and I'll probably go with the new Dell XPS 15 with the…

What was she actually against in the new MBP? (New MBP user myself, don't like the touch bar, but otherwise a fine machine.)

What about the keyboard?

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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I can't wait to retire my 2013 MBA and set it aside with my OEM 8800GT (nVidia's iconic desktop GPU). Both represented the best combination of tradeoffs with the tech that was available at the time at a price point that led to ubiquity. I'm not sure what my next portable computer will be, but if I want it to fit into that criteria of iconic hardware, I doubt it will be an Apple computer.

8800gt to 2013 MBA is a big jump in category.

Have you looked at beefier gaming laptops?

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Makes sense with Apple's current terrible product line setup. Both the retina MacBook and 2016 MacBook Pro are much more niche than their last generation. Also much more confusing as the MacBook Air successor is $500 more than the 13" Air was (The non-touchbar MacBook Pro is the spiritual successor to the air.) The true 13" Pro for 2016 is also $500 more than the last gen. The 12" MacBook is there...but it is a super…

I just bought a new Macbook, and I can say that it's a great product. Probably the best on the market. The problem I had was cost - they are over-priced. Yes, I've heard the argument that if you want 'x RAM with y CPU' etc it will 'cost just as much' - but this is just no longer true. The Macs with 16G memory are crazy expensive. My Mac has 200-ish G hard-drive which is f-ing retardedly small. They should all have 1T…

There are probably some people out there still making the argument that macs aren't more expensive, but I think most people have stopped, because the facts have changed. I'm having trouble finding it, but if I recall correctly, Joanna Stern was on John Gruber's podcast and flatly said the prices weren't comparable. Gruber either agreed or was silent.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Makes sense with Apple's current terrible product line setup. Both the retina MacBook and 2016 MacBook Pro are much more niche than their last generation. Also much more confusing as the MacBook Air successor is $500 more than the 13" Air was (The non-touchbar MacBook Pro is the spiritual successor to the air.) The true 13" Pro for 2016 is also $500 more than the last gen. The 12" MacBook is there...but it is a super…

The world still isn't ready for a machine with only USB-C/thunderbolt-3. The aren't docks good enough with the right features or port combinations. The myriad of USB-C adaptors is only barely in place, some positions in that market have only one or two options without the depth of a mature market. USB-C/thunderbolt-3 _could be_ great, it could be the greatest docking connector yet, but until the right dock exists I shouldn't get a new MBP because I have a dozen legacy devices on my desk to connect. And everyone should hold off on the 12" Macbook until the next revision when it gets thunderbolt-3.
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