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Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Are there any models from Lenovo/Dell/HP that have a good keyboard (obviously there is some subjectivity here)? If Lenovo made a model with the thinkpad keyboard from 10 years ago, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

I just bought an ASUS ZenBook with m3 and super high res screen for my wife. The keyboard feels similar to my MBP13R. Much better than my 3k Dell.

Really nice little machine, blows the Air away and is a steal at 650 EUR (~400 USD using Apple's exchange rates).

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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I can't wait to retire my 2013 MBA and set it aside with my OEM 8800GT (nVidia's iconic desktop GPU). Both represented the best combination of tradeoffs with the tech that was available at the time at a price point that led to ubiquity. I'm not sure what my next portable computer will be, but if I want it to fit into that criteria of iconic hardware, I doubt it will be an Apple computer.

If you would like to stay on macOS, buy a used MacBook (Pro). Some owners treat their MacBook (Pro) like a jewel. Even one or two years old ones can look like new. Performance-wise they are still great compared to the latest siblings.

A week ago I bought a MacBook Pro 15" (Mid 2014) with 512 GB SSD and dedicated graphics chip. I can drive two external 4K displays at 5120x2880 (looks like 2560x1440) and the internal display at 3840x2400 (looks like 1920x1200), all at 60 Hz. That is all I needed. Couldn’t be happier. Cost me 1325€. Latest MacBook Pro 15" with 512 GB SSD costs 2700€.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Has anyone here used the MBP touchbar on a daily basis? Does it improve productivity or is it just a gimmick?

Yes i do, it greatly increased my productivity, tho i had to tweak it myself and configure it all myself basically with better touch tool, heres a good article about what you can do: https://medium.com/productivity-freak/what-if-you-could-real...

i safe you some time and quote the BTT website on what's doable atm:

A few words about the current state of the Touch Bar integration in BTT: ''' It’s quite stable now and offers many customization options. You can specify custom Touch Bars for every app or globally You can change how the Touch Bar should appear for every app (e.g. if you want to show the BTT Touch Bar only for certain apps) You can create Touch Bar button groups There are three widgets, more to come. (Currently, Battery Time, Date/Time and an App Switcher widget are available) ''' And then its up to your creativity...the touchid also improved my life, i use it for my password keeper app etc instead of my masterpw...

The thing is, you have to ignore all the usual anti touchbar hate and find out for yourselv how YOU could use it, then make a decision if it's worth it for you.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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The biggest problem that Apple is creating for itself is not one that is being discussed directly in most of these threads: it's not about the loss in Mac sales, which they clearly don't give a damn about. It's the exodus of producers from their platform. Think about it. For those of you that were Mac fans before the iPhone and before it was cool to be so, who else do you know that used a Mac? Forget why, just who? T…

Good analysis

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Makes sense with Apple's current terrible product line setup. Both the retina MacBook and 2016 MacBook Pro are much more niche than their last generation. Also much more confusing as the MacBook Air successor is $500 more than the 13" Air was (The non-touchbar MacBook Pro is the spiritual successor to the air.) The true 13" Pro for 2016 is also $500 more than the last gen. The 12" MacBook is there...but it is a super…

When I bought my current MacBook Pro (2009), it was the cheapest available amongst the updated pro's and it cost me $1.000

Apple simply don't offer that price point anymore. What used to be their low-price line of laptops - the MacBook, now starts at $1.300

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, discontinuing the Air is crazy. The "entry level" laptop from Apple now (excluding their late-year models they kept around) is now $1299 and features a Core M3 processor. For people with a 2014+ Air that is a downgrade in performance for more money than they paid initially.

Huh? No, Apple's entry-level laptop is the $999 MacBook Air 13″, which has an i5. The 11″ MacBook Air was discontinued, but the 13″ is still around.

You're correct, I didn't notice that the 11" was discontinued.

They've effectively raised the price of their entry-level computer by $200 which would explain a slowdown in sales.

I guess we saw with the different Apple Watch versions, Apple is exploring just how much utility they can capture as margin.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Given the CES announcements from Lenovo, Samsung and asus I can only assume 2017 will be even worse for Apple. Laptop with 25 hrs battery? Give me two please!

Given the Apple announcements last fall, I can only assume 2017 will be even worse for Apple. But let's remember that Apple still makes a majority of all the profit in the PC industry.

Apple is on the way out. Even if it is still on top.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Has anyone here used the MBP touchbar on a daily basis? Does it improve productivity or is it just a gimmick?

I have one as my main machine. I use the touchbar about as much as I used the function keys...so almost never. Well that isn't entirely true as I use it for volume all the time which I do like better than just having a key. Also TouchID and 1Password together are amazing since I have a fairly long master password.

I think it really depends on what you do though, as I have used it in final cut and that seems nice for swiping around your timeline. Anything with a slider control works well, anything with buttons isn't that great as you actually have to look at the thing to see if a button exists in the first place.

I don't think it is necessarily a hardware problem, but right now the software just isn't there. I think Apple should rethink the "default" state a bit to give it some more utility.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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post #10

Makes sense with Apple's current terrible product line setup. Both the retina MacBook and 2016 MacBook Pro are much more niche than their last generation. Also much more confusing as the MacBook Air successor is $500 more than the 13" Air was (The non-touchbar MacBook Pro is the spiritual successor to the air.) The true 13" Pro for 2016 is also $500 more than the last gen. The 12" MacBook is there...but it is a super…

When I bought my current MacBook Pro (2009), it was the cheapest available amongst the updated pro's and it cost me $1.000 Apple simply don't offer that price point anymore. What used to be their low-price line of laptops - the MacBook, now starts at $1.300

Macbook Airs start at $999.

Inflation adds about $120 to your $1k figure since 2009, too.

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